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Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#41

How much of this is caused by people marking mailing list emails as SPAM instead of properly unsubscribing?

I don't blame them when the Unsubscribe link is buried at the bottom of a 8MB marketing newsletter in 4px font.

I'd assume cybojanek is talking about majordomo-like mailing lists, the sort used by lots of open source projects, which typically require an email sent to a specific address with "unsubscribe" in the subject line and so on and so forth.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#42
We've been seeing a huge number of messages sent through Google Groups via our Google Apps domain flagged as spam. I'm not sure what has triggered it lately, but it's almost impossible for us to communicate through our Google Groups email addresses anymore.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#43
post #2

I run my own mail server with full SPF, DKIM and SRS, routing the mail through a relay at a reputable VPS provider on high-reputation IPs. Over the last few months, there seems to be this pattern where if I email someone @gmail who I've never mailed before, they don't seem to ever get it. I wonder if this is the issue.

I also run like this and have had no problems. I don't commonly send emails though (mainly receive) so it is possible that I just haven't sent enough to see the issues.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#44
post #15

I've had a problem with false positives in my spam folder for months. A large percentage of the email newsletters I subscribe to end up in my spam folder every day, and clicking Notspam doesn't help. I can Notspam a certain newsletter every day for a week, and then the next day that same newsletter will end up in my Spam folder once again. I'm starting to think that Notspam signals have no effect at an individual lev…

You can set up a filter to never mark the matching items a spam.

That's what I do for the Lua Mailing list.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#45

I could see 20% false positives on spam for Linus equating to 0.1% of false positives across the board since I suspect the people emailing Linus are 200 times more likely to be running their own mail server than the general public.

Well, as he said, some emails on the middle of threads were marked as Spam

Funny thing that happened to me, a mail from Google was marked as Spam. This was a long time ago, and it was from a mailing list, but apart from that, it was a legitimate mail.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#47
I'm kind of surprised that Linus uses Gmail.

It's likely that he'll actually catch a Googler's attention, but for many of us, user feedback is not an option.

@jacquesm's http://jacquesmattheij.com/ham-or-spam-gmail-not-to-be-trust... is another recent instance — but again, there's no call to action.

Gmail is great for some people, but I prefer having more control, and I highly recommend https://FastMail.com if Gmail is failing to meet your needs.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#48

I could see 20% false positives on spam for Linus equating to 0.1% of false positives across the board since I suspect the people emailing Linus are 200 times more likely to be running their own mail server than the general public.

The hilarious -- or maybe really sickening -- thing is that Gmail itself has also become a much larger source of spam than it used to be. Those of us that are running mail servers are really not loving Google at the moment.

It's what happens when you can control such a large portion of a resource. Just imagine, Google can at any moment blacklist just about anyone. Most websites and companies they can do nothing to stop it.

It's a tad terrifying.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#49

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I agree completely. Wasn't there a thread here a just few days ago discussing Gmail consistently marking personal mail servers as spam? EDIT: Found it. https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9855030

I use DKIM and have Reverse DNS + SPF and gmail likes my email just fine. However, previous to setting all that up gmail would commonly mark my messages as spam. I haven't tested it in the last few days.

I have all of that and it took about 2 weeks of people pulling my messages out of spam for it to work smoothly.

Re: Dear Google Mail Team

#50
post #2

I run my own mail server with full SPF, DKIM and SRS, routing the mail through a relay at a reputable VPS provider on high-reputation IPs. Over the last few months, there seems to be this pattern where if I email someone @gmail who I've never mailed before, they don't seem to ever get it. I wonder if this is the issue.

I had a problem with my personal server for a little while; all my SPF, DKIM, etc was all set up for IPv4. I have a couple IPv6 interfaces on my machine, and my mailserver was delivering to GMail over IPv6!!
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