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The Life of an Auschwitz Guard

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I also recommend a couple of books on this subject: - Ordinary Men by Christopher Browning - Into that Darkness by Gitta Sereny Into that Darkness is the most depressing book I've ever read. It is essentially an interview with Franz Stangl, one of the commandants of the Treblinka camp which, if it's possible to believe, was far worse than Auschwitz. He was an ordinary guy who simply went where things took him, ultima…

I don't mean to be down-voted so I ask honestly, how can we accept Treblinka as an extermination camp in the face of all the Jewish testimonies attesting to it being a transit camp? Arad denies emphatically that Treblinka could have possibly been a transit camp and says "all that arrived were killed within 15 minutes", but he has not commented on the testimonies from Shoah Foundation's own tapes who describe stopping…

Because there were multiple camps under the Treblinka banner.

Treblinka I was a forced work camp. They had transit stops, and people came in and out of here. That's what most stories about it being a transit camp are.

Treblinka II was probably the largest extermination camp in terms of "output". 700,000--900,000 Jews were killed in its gas chambers and around 2,000 Romani people.

There were so many corpses they had to exhume their mass graves and burn bodies on pyres. In 2010 there were 3 previously unknown mass graves discovered.

That there was a duality is not unknown, that it was an extermination camp is not controversial. The evidence is clear.

Re: The Life of an Auschwitz Guard

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post #8

I also recommend a couple of books on this subject: - Ordinary Men by Christopher Browning - Into that Darkness by Gitta Sereny Into that Darkness is the most depressing book I've ever read. It is essentially an interview with Franz Stangl, one of the commandants of the Treblinka camp which, if it's possible to believe, was far worse than Auschwitz. He was an ordinary guy who simply went where things took him, ultima…

I don't mean to be down-voted so I ask honestly, how can we accept Treblinka as an extermination camp in the face of all the Jewish testimonies attesting to it being a transit camp? Arad denies emphatically that Treblinka could have possibly been a transit camp and says "all that arrived were killed within 15 minutes", but he has not commented on the testimonies from Shoah Foundation's own tapes who describe stopping…

> I don't mean to be down-voted so I ask honestly, how can we accept Treblinka as an extermination camp in the face of all the Jewish testimonies attesting to it being a transit camp?

There were two "Treblinkas", and both of them changed over time.

How can we consider it an extermination camp? Due to the 800,000 bodies that were exhumed, and the testimony of the gas-chamber murderers.

That body of evidence should outweigh the survivorship bias of those few who were in-fact transited through it at specific times.

Re: The Life of an Auschwitz Guard

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Interesting article indeed, but did he or did he not use the defense of "acting under orders"?

As presented by 2 excerpts below:

"This is not to say that Groening attempts to hide behind the “acting under orders” defense. He does not present himself as a mindless automaton who would have followed any command given to him."

"Additionally, he felt he was—using the words of the infamous Nazi post-war defense—acting under orders, and he attempts to defend himself with this analogy: “The first time a company of soldiers gets a volley of machine gun fire they don’t all get up and say, ‘We don’t agree with this—we’re going home.’”

A little clarification would be nice.

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