Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet

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Post by gwintrob » Thu, Jul 16, 2015, 5:15 PM UTC

Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet
washingtonpost.com

Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet

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Post by wxs » Thu, Jul 16, 2015, 5:23 PM UTC

I just posted this in the earlier submission[1], but I'll put it here too:

I really worry that if we don't find a way to fix the abuse problem, pseudonymity online will be looked back on by future generations as our time's Klan hood.

Abuse stories like these make me embarrassed to support any form of privacy online. Platforms need to take a stand and find a way reduce hate and abuse, or public opinion (and my own) will turn against support of privacy. If it turns out pseudonymity is fundamentally incompatible with safety of the abused online then I'll take the latter, but I'd rather search for a way to have both.

Platforms banning abusive subcommunities seems like a good start.

[1] https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=9898366

Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet

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Post by mahouse » Thu, Jul 16, 2015, 5:27 PM UTC

wxs wrote: post #2

I just posted this in the earlier submission[1], but I'll put it here too: I really worry that if we don't find a way to fix the abuse problem, pseudonymity online will be looked back on by future generations as our time's Klan hood. Abuse stories like these make me embarrassed to support any form of privacy online. Platforms need to take a stand and find a way reduce hate and abuse, or public opinion (and my own) wi…

That's supposing the public opinion is against the trolls. In my experience, people support trolls as long as they align with their ideas.

Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet

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Post by pc86 » Thu, Jul 16, 2015, 5:29 PM UTC

wxs wrote: post #2

I just posted this in the earlier submission[1], but I'll put it here too: I really worry that if we don't find a way to fix the abuse problem, pseudonymity online will be looked back on by future generations as our time's Klan hood. Abuse stories like these make me embarrassed to support any form of privacy online. Platforms need to take a stand and find a way reduce hate and abuse, or public opinion (and my own) wi…

> pseudonymity online will be looked back on by future generations as our time's Klan hood

This may be one of the most hyperbolic things I've read on HN in a very long time.

Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet

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Post by diamonis » Thu, Jul 16, 2015, 5:30 PM UTC

wxs wrote: post #2

I just posted this in the earlier submission[1], but I'll put it here too: I really worry that if we don't find a way to fix the abuse problem, pseudonymity online will be looked back on by future generations as our time's Klan hood. Abuse stories like these make me embarrassed to support any form of privacy online. Platforms need to take a stand and find a way reduce hate and abuse, or public opinion (and my own) wi…

Why are you posting anonymously? [EDIT: no, I don't go around clicking on profile links so some SJWs can accuse me of stalking.]

Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet

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Post by DanBC » Thu, Jul 16, 2015, 5:31 PM UTC

wxs wrote: post #2

I just posted this in the earlier submission[1], but I'll put it here too: I really worry that if we don't find a way to fix the abuse problem, pseudonymity online will be looked back on by future generations as our time's Klan hood. Abuse stories like these make me embarrassed to support any form of privacy online. Platforms need to take a stand and find a way reduce hate and abuse, or public opinion (and my own) wi…

People are just as hateful under their real names.

The Facebook ad featuring a Sikh artist got a lot of really unpleasant comments from people using their real identities.

I don't think anyone suggests the Youtube comments were any better after real-name policy.

Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet

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Post by jgrahamc » Thu, Jul 16, 2015, 5:31 PM UTC

diamonis wrote: post #5

wxs wrote: post #2

I just posted this in the earlier submission[1], but I'll put it here too: I really worry that if we don't find a way to fix the abuse problem, pseudonymity online will be looked back on by future generations as our time's Klan hood. Abuse stories like these make me embarrassed to support any form of privacy online. Platforms need to take a stand and find a way reduce hate and abuse, or public opinion (and my own) wi…

Why are you posting anonymously? [EDIT: no, I don't go around clicking on profile links so some SJWs can accuse me of stalking.]

He's not. Did you click on his username?

Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet

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Post by uncoder0 » Thu, Jul 16, 2015, 5:32 PM UTC

diamonis wrote: post #5

wxs wrote: post #2

I just posted this in the earlier submission[1], but I'll put it here too: I really worry that if we don't find a way to fix the abuse problem, pseudonymity online will be looked back on by future generations as our time's Klan hood. Abuse stories like these make me embarrassed to support any form of privacy online. Platforms need to take a stand and find a way reduce hate and abuse, or public opinion (and my own) wi…

Why are you posting anonymously? [EDIT: no, I don't go around clicking on profile links so some SJWs can accuse me of stalking.]

He isn't his contact info is in his profile.

Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet

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Post by dsp1234 » Thu, Jul 16, 2015, 5:32 PM UTC

diamonis wrote: post #5

wxs wrote: post #2

I just posted this in the earlier submission[1], but I'll put it here too: I really worry that if we don't find a way to fix the abuse problem, pseudonymity online will be looked back on by future generations as our time's Klan hood. Abuse stories like these make me embarrassed to support any form of privacy online. Platforms need to take a stand and find a way reduce hate and abuse, or public opinion (and my own) wi…

Why are you posting anonymously? [EDIT: no, I don't go around clicking on profile links so some SJWs can accuse me of stalking.]

Clicking on the profile link:

"Co-founder and CTO at Whirlscape, makers of the Minuum keyboard http://minuum.com, xavier@whirlscape.com"

I'm not sure that's really "posting anonymously"

Re: Ellen Pao: The Trolls Are Winning the Battle for the Internet

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Post by [deleted] » Thu, Jul 16, 2015, 5:33 PM UTC

diamonis wrote: post #5

wxs wrote: post #2

I just posted this in the earlier submission[1], but I'll put it here too: I really worry that if we don't find a way to fix the abuse problem, pseudonymity online will be looked back on by future generations as our time's Klan hood. Abuse stories like these make me embarrassed to support any form of privacy online. Platforms need to take a stand and find a way reduce hate and abuse, or public opinion (and my own) wi…

Why are you posting anonymously? [EDIT: no, I don't go around clicking on profile links so some SJWs can accuse me of stalking.]

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