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CrunchPad Federal Lawsuit Filed; Some Additional Thoughts
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Re: CrunchPad Federal Lawsuit Filed; Some Additional Thoughts
#32Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This confirms that they had no contracts This is a misconception - a contract does not need to be written to be enforceable. A contract consists of an "offer" and "acceptance" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract#Offer_and_acceptance Techcrunch looks like it made an offer to work with someone to build a device, and Fusion looks like it accepted in some capacity by announcing they were working with them, tentativel…
In a strictly lawful perspective, a contract is a legally binding written agreement between two or more parties.
Some contracts, though, fall under what's called the "statute of frauds" - that means they must be written to become contracts.
http://www.expertlaw.com/library/business/statute_of_frauds....
> A "statute of frauds" requires that certain contracts be in writing, and that they be signed by all parties to be bound by the contract.
Contracts under statute of frauds include land sales and transfers, guaranteeing another person's debts, and contracts that can't be completed in a year.
It can be hard to prove an oral contract, but if you can prove it has all the elements of a contract, it's a contract, legal, and enforceable at least under the standard United States common law.
Re: CrunchPad Federal Lawsuit Filed; Some Additional Thoughts
#33Earlier quoted context omitted.
> This confirms that they had no contracts This is a misconception - a contract does not need to be written to be enforceable. A contract consists of an "offer" and "acceptance" http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Contract#Offer_and_acceptance Techcrunch looks like it made an offer to work with someone to build a device, and Fusion looks like it accepted in some capacity by announcing they were working with them, tentativel…
In a strictly lawful perspective, a contract is a legally binding written agreement between two or more parties.
Re: CrunchPad Federal Lawsuit Filed; Some Additional Thoughts
#34What they won’t have is cash flow to build the devices. FG have said they have devices built or building haven't they? I wonder which is true - my guess is a small inventory, hence the pre-sale. Chandra and Fusion Garage have shown a long term pattern of deceit in their business dealings. Dear god.... why oh why did he deal with them? (or continue to deal with them) If the lined up investors, guys who make a living i…
The pre-sale is to get enough cash in hand to pay the manufacturing outfit enough to do a production run in order to fulfill the pre-sale orders. If you send money to FG for a pre-sale, you are gambling that they will use your money to actually make a device and deliver it to you.
That is Arrington's warning in point 5, and it is a valid warning. Even if they don't use the pre-sale money to hire lawyers, there is no guarantee they will get enough money to do a production run, there is no guarantee they won't take your money and disappear.
Pre-sales is based on trust (buyer) and reputation (seller), not goods already manufactured.
Re: CrunchPad Federal Lawsuit Filed; Some Additional Thoughts
#35I smiled when he tried to defend being labeled as techcrunch being just a blog. The sad truth is while techcrunch does "other things", its main operation is being a weblog, as posted in its about section: "TechCrunch was founded on June 11, 2005, as a weblog dedicated to obsessively profiling and reviewing new Internet products and companies. In addition to covering new companies, we profile existing companies that a…
Must. click. link.
Re: CrunchPad Federal Lawsuit Filed; Some Additional Thoughts
#36I guess even if they did that, it'd be the nail in the coffin for ever getting the device sold in the US though.
Re: CrunchPad Federal Lawsuit Filed; Some Additional Thoughts
#37What they won’t have is cash flow to build the devices. FG have said they have devices built or building haven't they? I wonder which is true - my guess is a small inventory, hence the pre-sale. Chandra and Fusion Garage have shown a long term pattern of deceit in their business dealings. Dear god.... why oh why did he deal with them? (or continue to deal with them) If the lined up investors, guys who make a living i…
They have at least one (as shown on the FG video). They probably have 10s or 100s built as a pre-production run (used to proof out the manufacturing process, given to developers to finish the coding and testing). I'm sure they don't have production quantities. The pre-sale is to get enough cash in hand to pay the manufacturing outfit enough to do a production run in order to fulfill the pre-sale orders. If you send m…
The emails talk about shareholder investment; if that is the case they can pre-sale while they are building the first batch on investor money. This way they get a share of the Xmas market rather than launching in the January sales (always a bad move).
With all that said nothing about DG has shouted "marketing sense" :)
We sell units like that.
Re: CrunchPad Federal Lawsuit Filed; Some Additional Thoughts
#38Re: CrunchPad Federal Lawsuit Filed; Some Additional Thoughts
#391. This obviously was an ill-documented relationship, though what is outlined in the complaint clearly suggests that it was either a joint venture of some type or at least something intended potentially to be a joint venture. When such a relationship is properly documented, all the associated issues - who is contributing what, who is getting what out of the arrangement, who owns the IP, etc. - are defined in the written documentation, typically a comprehensive written agreement signed by authorized representatives of both parties.
2. That said, opportunistic teaming happens all the time in the startup world and the absence of a carefully defined agreement is not necessarily fatal to a party's claim that a joint venture existed. A joint venture is a variation of partnership law (legally, it is a form of partnership by which the parties agree to do business jointly, and to share profits in some fashion, for a specific purpose, as opposed to a more general partnership by which they agree to do business together, and split profits, in connection with all their business activities). Technically, a joint venture (indeed, any partnership) can be based on a purely verbal arrangement or one that is verbal and supported by various written exchanges documenting some of the material terms of the arrangement, whether physically signed or not. To be a legally enforceable arrangement, the important thing is for the parties to have some clearly understood agreement, verbal or otherwise, specifying that they would be working together, and making their respective contributions, for a specific purpose whose ultimate goal was to split profits in some reasonably defined way as a result of their joint efforts.
3. While the formal requirements for a joint venture are not necessarily rigorous, and can be met even in a comparatively loose arrangement, one nonetheless must have some form of deal terms that can be said to be a reasonable meeting of the minds on some form of coherent business terms. The idea that "we agreed to work together," without more, does not make for an enforceable joint venture (or any form of contract). Moreover, even if there was a pretty good understanding that parties were to work together for a business purpose, if there is no understanding about who was to get what in exchange for what contribution, then it is almost certain that no form of enforceable agreement would be found.
4. Quite apart from whether a technical contract might be found to exist, the question of credibility also is crucial. That is, even if one party's story, if believed, would support the elements of a proper joint venture, there is the further question of whether that story is believable. On the facts alleged here, for example, why would TC, if it really did contribute major components of the software, hardware, funding, etc., do so without insisting that the parties have some form of written agreement documenting the terms of their venture? To me, this is the major flaw in a complaint of this type. It ultimately makes no sense for a reasonably sophisticated party to have, in effect, proceeded through multiple steps of a pretty complex transaction without proper documentation when, by its own admission, it knew quite a ways back that there were good grounds not to trust the party it was dealing with.
5. That said, the tactical goal of this complaint is to try to demonstrate that some form of enforceable joint venture existed (even if it is pretty shaky on its terms and in terms of believability) because that is the predicate for claiming breach of fiduciary duty on the part of the other "partner." If people really are doing business as partners, they do have fiduciary duties toward one another and can't engage in duplicitous tactics in their dealings with one another. Here, a secret plan on the part of one partner to appropriate the product of the parties' joint efforts would qualify as an illegal form of duplicity. If this can be proved, then the party misappropriating an opportunity or the IP belonging to the venture would have to account for its profits to the other party and would otherwise be legally exposed to substantial damage claims, even punitive damage claims.
6. If IP had been stolen here, though, the first action one would expect is for a party to be at the courtroom seeking to get a TRO and preliminary injunctive relief by which it asks the court to bar the other party from selling or distributing the product pending the trial in the lawsuit. That hasn’t happened here. Perhaps this is because, to get such relief, the moving party would need to demonstrate convincingly that it likely to prevail on the merits of its claims, and this something TC may not be able to do here.
7. On this score, the most telling thing that appears in the facts is the claim that TC had a deal because the CEO of the party it was negotiating with allegedly "agreed" to the terms of a merger in an email exchange. This sort of claim lies in the desperate category. Any merger of this type is highly complex, requires both board and shareholder approval, and is reasonably expected by all but the most unsophisticated parties to include, at a minimum, a detailed term sheet specifying what those terms are. For TC to claim that it had a "deal" on this score, based on statements made in a negotiation by the other party’s CEO, is exceedingly weak.
8. Thus, the legal aspects of this case would seem to come down to this: one party claims it had a deal and got betrayed while the other claims that there was no deal but "mere negotiations" which ultimately failed to lead to a binding agreement or arrangement between the parties. From a reading of the complaint, it would seem to be a difficult hurdle for TC to show that the terms of an enforceable deal are in place here. At the same time, there appears to be evidence of duplicity in the conduct of the other party and TC may have some claims to a form of remedy on account of having been misled by shark-like conduct on the other side. My intuitive sense, however: shark-like conduct likely occurred on both sides here and, if this is so, then TC will ultimately be left to stew in its own juices when this is all said and done.
Re: CrunchPad Federal Lawsuit Filed; Some Additional Thoughts
#40Why didn't TC & these guys set up a legal person in which to jointly conduct their business?
Or was TC just effectively the marketer for this company?