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Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by kenko »

Manishearth wrote: post #311
[deleted] wrote: post #300

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Data doesn't go to pocket until you start using it, and even then, you have to click through a few pages to get there. Pages which make it abundantly obvious that its a third party service. Mozilla did user testing before integration and found that people do want it. Remember that techies complaining on HN doesn't mean that the majority doesn't like it. It's not different from the privacy implications of having Googl…

"Mozilla did user testing before integration and found that people do want it. Remember that techies complaining on HN doesn't mean that the majority doesn't like it."

I'm really not convinced by this as an argument. People might like all sorts of harmful things, once they see them. And the fact that people might want something that provides the functionality that Pocket provides, or something like it, doesn't mean that using Pocket specifically is a good idea.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by lamby »

urda wrote: post #310
farawayea wrote: post #205

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This is great. Let's continue: remove pocket, remove hello

1) Open the menu 2) Click "Customize" 3) Drag pocket and / or hello from the tool bar into "Additional tools and features" 4) Take a breather, phew that wasn't too hard was it? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/customize-firefox-contr...

Rebutting a claim that the default options are poor by providing instructions to change those settings seems, at best, a non-sequitur.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by [deleted] »

marksc wrote: post #198

Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

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Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by greiskul »

mhurron wrote: post #242
ultramancool wrote: post #237

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It's a real pain, but they want the less sophisticated users to be able to take advantage of all the latest stuff and if Chrome or IE is shipping with it enabled, they have to compete. Well, that explains WebRTC at least. As for the other stuff... I'm a Pocket user, but I have no idea why that needed to be integrated into the browser, seems like an insane decision to me. I hope they got a good pay day out of that. Sa…

Off by default lets everyone choose to turn it on if they're interested. It also might clue in Mozillas devs that if they want people to turn it on, a setting in about:config isn't the only place you should be putting the button. Off by default is neither removing user choice, nor is it preventing Mozilla from saying they ship with feature X. It is the right way to present it.

Off by default is simply off for 99% of users.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by pflanze »

grumblestumble wrote: post #277
JoshTriplett wrote: post #262

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As much as I'd like to see this, Mozilla doesn't have the necessary clout to do this when other browsers are adopting it.

The web has become an application delivery platform, like it or not. While there are arguments against forcing DRM on consumers, for video production workflows and project management, DRM is a necessity. I'm assuming you've worked with private Github repos with access control, right? Same idea.

How are private Github repositories using the same idea? Normal access controls are just implemented at the data source, limiting read (or write) there. DRM is implemented in the hardware of the user so that some programs that the user uses can access the data, but not those programs fully under control of the user.

If you can access a Github repository then you can do so with software fully under your control (and hence make copies of the data as you wish). Did I miss something?

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by stevenh »

urda wrote: post #310
farawayea wrote: post #205

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This is great. Let's continue: remove pocket, remove hello

1) Open the menu 2) Click "Customize" 3) Drag pocket and / or hello from the tool bar into "Additional tools and features" 4) Take a breather, phew that wasn't too hard was it? https://support.mozilla.org/en-US/kb/customize-firefox-contr...

These need to be disabled by default, and the steps you list should be taken by people who want to enable them.

If a masochistic user wants to navigate the labyrinth of dark patterns meant to confuse them into not understanding that the "Additional tools and features" category is also the "completely disabled features that run nothing in the background" category (why would anyone think that, ever?), then they can go ahead and do it. If these things are so great, then I'm sure users would be happy to put that extra work into enabling them. After all, it's 3 simple intuitive steps!

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by Retra »

[deleted] wrote: post #333
marksc wrote: post #198

Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

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>Your product is superfluous and unnecessary; we already have alternatives like Chrome, Safari, and IE

...What does this mean? Why don't you consider Chrome, Safari, or IE superfluous and unnecessary instead?

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by zvrba »

cpeterso wrote: post #321
zvrba wrote: post #114

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Tidal and Deezer are others which require flash. Both have desktop apps, however.. Tidal's desktop app is awful and laggy to the extent I prefer using the web interface; Deezer's Windows app lacks some features compared to the web player.

These music streaming sites use Flash because they want DRM.

Is there alternative to Flash which also gives you DRM?

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by geofft »

[deleted] wrote: post #333
marksc wrote: post #198

Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

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... alternatives like Google's closed-source Chrome, Apple's closed-source and behind-the-times Safari, and Internet Explorer???

Are you trolling? Are you attempting to discredit the anti-Firefox campaign by trying to say that running Internet Explorer is a reasonable alternative for your Macbook, and that a kernel panic from non-kernel software is somehow the software's fault, not the kernel's??

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by arenaninja »

[deleted] wrote: post #333
marksc wrote: post #198

Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

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I invoke Poe's Law. I'm not sure if you're being facetious or serious
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