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Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by brighteyes »

mangeletti wrote: post #234
marksc wrote: post #198

Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

Hi Mark, Do you have any interest an organizing an effort, along with Facebook's Alex Stamos and other folks, to plan a formal EOL for Flash? Of course, the steps Mozilla and others have taken help, but perhaps a more organized movement could get other thought and market leaders on board, trigger higher rates of HTML5 adoption and foster the bits of remaining innovation that are needed to fully replace Flash on the w…

They have already said that after the feedback they will make pocket into an addon (installed by default but easily removable like any addon).

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by ars »

throwaway2048 wrote: post #274
ars wrote: post #48

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> that doesn't support linux for games. There is support: http://pipelight.net/cms/installation.html For me on debian it was install and it worked without even restarting the browser.

this is not support, its basicly running the plugin inside wine, with all the attendant issues that invokes.

I had no issues. It simply worked.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by samch »

tracker1 wrote: post #287
agumonkey wrote: post #230

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What made Flash so fast ? was it direct unsafe access to the metal or was there some black magic in their code ?

I don't know that it's particularly faster than what can/could be accomplished with svg + JavaScript ... I think most of the speed as a plugin vs native html/svg/js is that you don't have the whole DOM to deal with (including reflows, etc), and that their ActionScript is a much smaller subset of a language than JS in the browser, AS3 changed things a bit though. Today with canvas and an audio api that mostly works, y…

The tooling was amazing. I used to do a ton of Flash development back in the day, and the ability to seamlessly create the UI and backend code is still light years ahead of the cross-browser nightmare of creating HTML5 apps. I think Adobe has tried to achieve the same level of functionality with other tools over the years (Adobe Edge Suite), but it never really made it to the same level as web application development in Flash.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by Raphmedia »

glogla wrote: post #214
farawayea wrote: post #205

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This is great. Let's continue: remove pocket, remove hello

Hello is just few (hundred?) lines of Javascript giving UI to WebRTC. Unless you want to remove WebRTC and that's just stupid.

It's third party features that I will never use.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by mmcru »

ultramancool wrote: post #248
mhurron wrote: post #242

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Off by default lets everyone choose to turn it on if they're interested. It also might clue in Mozillas devs that if they want people to turn it on, a setting in about:config isn't the only place you should be putting the button. Off by default is neither removing user choice, nor is it preventing Mozilla from saying they ship with feature X. It is the right way to present it.

> Off by default lets everyone choose to turn it on if they're interested. It lets more sophisticated users choose. Less sophisticated users however will more likely switch to a different browser the moment a site doesn't work before poking through settings. I think a better way than a separate setting would be to go in the direction of many software firewalls and present it to the user as a choice when an applicatio…

are there any popular sites that rely on Hello or Pocket to function?

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by Crito »

batou wrote: post #72
jacobolus wrote: post #68

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The new Google Maps is also dramatically slower, laggier, and buggier than the old version which was a regular web app built to work on browsers from 2005. I think the terribleness of recent Google web front-ends (not only Maps and Street View but also Search, Mail, Groups, Gplus, etc.) is mostly a product of incompetent management process internal to Google, rather than an indictment of web technology generally.

I genuinely agree with you here. I've gone back to a desktop mail client (Thunderbird) and moved away from the web for this sort of thing myself. As far as the web goes, I am very impressed at openstreetmap. That is fast, accurate and has more useful mapping data than anything else rather than fancy overlays and imaging.

While on vacation recently, I had to switch from Google Maps to OSMAnd. OSM map data was just as good for my purposes at least (arguably better), but the real motivating factor was just how fucking pathetic Google Maps on Android has become.

Just having it find my location became a chore. I'd be walking down the street looking at my phone the whole block, waiting for it to get my location. Many times it would show my location (with several miles of uncertainty) as being somewhere that I had not been for more than several hours. Other times it would just never find the location at all, not even having any idea what country, let alone city, I was in.

I downloaded OSMAnd and the province map data, and it was able to find my location within mere seconds every time. It was able to do it fast enough that if I clicked the power button as I was pulling my phone out of my pocket, it would have my position before my phone was in front of my face.

Unfortunately OSMAnd does not do transit routing, so I was attempting to use both at the same time. This gave me a direct comparison between how fast both were able to find my position, and how accurately. OSMAnd blows Google Maps away. I often resorted to typing in my "from" location in Google Maps, just so that I could use it to find routes for me while it was stalling on finding my location itself.

My location permissions were all correct. I tried wiping the application settings, with no luck. On the last day of my vacation I uninstalled all the google maps updates on my phone, and tried the version that shipped with it. It worked just fine.

If anybody else ever gets annoyed at Google Maps being unable to find their location in a timely manner, I highly recommend they try OSMAnd. It saved my vacation. As a bonus, it even behaves sensibly when on a boat.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by [deleted] »

yarrel wrote: post #236
marksc wrote: post #198

Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

Can you call for a formal EOL on HTML5 DRM as well, please?

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Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by bobajeff »

Quarrelsome wrote: post #163
ddalex wrote: post #158

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And since when you have to please everybody ? Flash developers are a minority, and they have no power to influence the market. The sooner Adobe abandons the dead horse, the better for all of us. Kevin has gone away for years now, and Adobe's force is not based on Flash anymore (disclaimer: I own Adobe stock)

Its not like html5 has all of the features required to replace flash cross platform. These changes force developers, especially those that work in video publishing to implement a variety of implementations for each device whereas flash gave us one platform that technically works on everything but is now disabled intentionally.

"...whereas flash gave us one platform that technically works on everything..."

Unless you count iOS, Android, BSD, Solaris, QNX, Debian etc.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by [deleted] »

brighteyes wrote: post #291
mangeletti wrote: post #234

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Hi Mark, Do you have any interest an organizing an effort, along with Facebook's Alex Stamos and other folks, to plan a formal EOL for Flash? Of course, the steps Mozilla and others have taken help, but perhaps a more organized movement could get other thought and market leaders on board, trigger higher rates of HTML5 adoption and foster the bits of remaining innovation that are needed to fully replace Flash on the w…

They have already said that after the feedback they will make pocket into an addon (installed by default but easily removable like any addon).

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