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Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Removing registration on Hello servers and WebRTC altogether is not stupid if you give a shit about your privacy, look at the leaks WebRTC provides, local IPs which are great for fingerprinting, real IPs from behind VPN, etc. It's one big gaping privacy nightmare so far, so it's pretty reasonable to have it disabled, until this gets sorted out at least. Fortunately it can be toggled off in about:config easily. Set lo…

I agree with a lot of this, but not turning off WebRTC in general. Certainly you should turn it off (or force TURN only) if you're trying to hide your IP behind a VPN. But IPv6 already causes you to lose the same amount of privacy as exposing your IPv4 address behind a NAT, so it seems somewhat of a lost cause. I still think WebRTC enabling peer to peer connections is better than running all of your data through a th…

> But IPv6 already causes you to lose the same amount of privacy as exposing your IPv4 address behind a NAT, so it seems somewhat of a lost cause.

Extremely few people have active IPv6, it seems unlikely to catch on now. In addition to that, IPv6 privacy extensions may allow a solution to this problem for many users, but if their link local IPs are also published that may lead to further trouble, depending on configuration. Remember though, this leaks all interface IPs, I have many virtual machines installed with their own network adapters added to my system, VPN adapters, etc which also leaks data as all of those adapters will have v6LL IPs on them even if they're not in use.

Additionally, this issue is already actively being used for fingerprinting. Not some exploit of tomorrow. There was a New York Times advertiser caught doing it a few days ago.

> I still think WebRTC enabling peer to peer connections is better than running all of your data through a third party server.

Yeah, which is why I encourage disabling it completely. Until either they fix the privacy issues or the value of using some WebRTC application appears to trump them to you.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

Can you call for a formal EOL on HTML5 DRM as well, please?

As much as I'd like to see this, Mozilla doesn't have the necessary clout to do this when other browsers are adopting it.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

When is the formal EOL for Firefox? It's my primary browser, but some people hate it, so just thought I'd ask when the EOL for Firefox is? Flash is never blocked for me in Firefox and never will be. Because a few months back I did this: 1. about:config 2. extensions.blocklist.enabled - 'false' Job done. No more Mozilla annoyances between me and the content I wish to access. And yes, it was an annoyance because the li…

> extensions.blocklist.enabled - 'false'

Congratulations, you just left yourself open to malware masquerading as addons.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

This is great. Let's continue: remove pocket, remove hello

Oh please don't remove pocket, this is one of the awesome feature of Firefox along with Tree Style Tab (and if it was just me I would add Tree Style Tab by default as well)

(And of course I go against the public opinion here on HN, but I wonder how many people did actually use Pocket before trashing it?)

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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> If you run the popular browsers/plugins against the National Vulnerability Database... That's misusing statistics, you can't determine how secure something is by just summing up the number of vulnerabilities - equally weighing/comparing browsers with a plugin etc. By the way, Apple's opinion on Flash in 2010: Third, there’s reliability, security and performance. Symantec recently highlighted Flash for having one of…

Flash is blocked on Apple devices due to business reasons, nothing more.

Flash was never "blocked" on Apple devices. Rather, Safari on iOS simply doesn't support plugins. You can't install Java, Silverlight, or Unity 3D plugins either.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Canvas, WebGL, Javascript? If it's because you enjoy the Adobe Flash tooling, then Adobe is doing exporting to both Canvas and WebGL now. http://www.adobe.com/inspire/2014/02/flash-html5-canvas.html https://helpx.adobe.com/flash/how-to/flashpro-export-webgl.h...

If I make an animation or game using these technologies today, will it work unchanged ten years from now?

Do modern web browsers still render standard compliant web content from 10 years correctly today? (Yes they do)

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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If only Firefox actually supported my AMD APU, then I wouldn't have to use Flash for YouTube and such. I actually force YouTube to play using the Flash player, as with HTML5 the video freezes and is very choppy. My mother is using Linux Mint, and for her the reverse is true, Flash is horrible and HTML5 is smooth and fast.

edit: I use Windows 8.1.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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I agree with a lot of this, but not turning off WebRTC in general. Certainly you should turn it off (or force TURN only) if you're trying to hide your IP behind a VPN. But IPv6 already causes you to lose the same amount of privacy as exposing your IPv4 address behind a NAT, so it seems somewhat of a lost cause. I still think WebRTC enabling peer to peer connections is better than running all of your data through a th…

> But IPv6 already causes you to lose the same amount of privacy as exposing your IPv4 address behind a NAT, so it seems somewhat of a lost cause. Extremely few people have active IPv6, it seems unlikely to catch on now. In addition to that, IPv6 privacy extensions may allow a solution to this problem for many users, but if their link local IPs are also published that may lead to further trouble, depending on configu…

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Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

What made Flash so fast ? was it direct unsafe access to the metal or was there some black magic in their code ?

actionscript (the flash programming language) is pretty much the same as javascript, the main reason why flash is often a lot faster than html+js things in a browser is it is not constrained to a slow, broken DOM for building uis.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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And that's downright weird, given that Chrome use a different plugin API and thus get Flash bundled. Even Windows has Flash via the updater. Just about the only browser that use the old API is Firefox.

Shock, the only browser that still uses NPAPI is the descendant of the one that invented it! Really, at this point I think Mozilla is more interested in just getting rid of plugins than trying to implement an alternative to NPAPI - why put all the effort in to support something like PPAPI when plugins should be dead within the decade anyway?

It's not a secret. The replacement for NPAPI is the Web APIs. The port of Flash to the new NPAPI--the Web APIs--is called Shumway.
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