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Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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When all browsers disable Flash, a ton of old artistic content will become unaccessible. I'm thinking specifically about Homestuck animations and minigames, but other people will have their own favorites. Is there a good transition plan?

I've seen countless Flash animations turned into Youtube videos, which means the quality has dropped considerably.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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The final act of HTML5 delusion - it becomes "ready" because we say it's "ready". It's just someone forgot to ask Flash (game) developers' opinion. Not that it matters, right?

You really think the opinion of game developers should matter in a discussion about how to make browsers reasonably secure for people to use without getting their hosts compromised? Because I don't. Anger towards browser developers or HTML5 is misplaced; you should be angry with Adobe for the fact that Flash is buggy, insecure, and closed-source.

>You really think the opinion of game developers should matter in a discussion about how to make browsers reasonably secure for people to use without getting their hosts compromised? Because I don't.

I agree, which is why I wish browser vendors would block WebGL by default.

I'm not holding my breath though, because the reality is that market demand from people like game developers (or at least, perceived demand) is what is driving the addition of so many complex new APIs to the web.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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post #168

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The final act of HTML5 delusion - it becomes "ready" because we say it's "ready". It's just someone forgot to ask Flash (game) developers' opinion. Not that it matters, right?

I know HTML5 doesn't have all of Flash features, but as a user, I'm glad that I won't see random pages using flash without need.

Yesterday I was browsing a technology blog on my iPad and a javascript pop-up banner appeared over the page. The X button in the corner didn't work, I tapped it about 20 times. So I reloaded the page. Same thing happened. To read the article I had to disable javascript in the Safari settings and reload page.

If you think unwanted annoyances only come from Flash, you're mistaken.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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post #59

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> We need a real open-source alternative to flash player. We quietly built the alternative to Flash over the last 10 years. It's called the web. A standard document in the web browser can play audio, video, display vector graphics, utilise OpenGL, supports direct drawing via Canvas, and it is deeply scriptable with a mature, open programming language. What else do you need?

Copy to clipboard, apparently. (Github project pages have a flash application to handle this)

Is that why I keep getting notifications that github wants to use flash player? Good to know.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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post #198

Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

This is great. Let's continue: remove pocket, remove hello

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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post #184

Adobe promising an update "during the week of July 12th"... That was last week. Or are they for some reason counting last week's Sunday as part of this week?!

Last week's Sunday was July 5. The week of July 12 is this week.

Not where I'm from :)

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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What privacy implications are you thinking of? (I have not thought about this before.) And again, a quick Google search shows this [0]. But perhaps you mean a more backwards-compatible solution? [0] - http://stackoverflow.com/a/30810322/1507139

Thanks for that link, I hit this problem a while ago, a program I wrote generates HTML results where I want to cut & paste sections into another file. I couldn't find a way to do so in javascript previously. The parent comment has been deleted, so I don't know what privacy problems they are referring to, however there is a potential security issue in allowing javascript write access to the clipboard. e.g. an evil web…

The other concern is bugs in the implementation that injects clipboard access into the JavaScript sandbox. Write-only might be the intent, but this could open up possibilities to gain read access.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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post #198

Mark from Mozilla here. To be clear, by "blocked" Flash we really mean enforced click-to-activate. User choice is always a #1 priority at Mozilla. We regularly block vulnerable plugins. What made this block different was that we did it before Adobe made an update available. Now that Adobe has released an update, it is no longer true that every version of Flash Player is blocked in Firefox. However, we're glad to see…

I noticed this behavior when I fired up an older Mac I hadn't used in a year or so, it was refreshing that Flash always required click-to-activate, and I made this the setting on all my machines a while back and started suggesting to my friends to.

Some websites' video don't work as well, they have JS or CSS that interfere, or assume that you don't have flash installed, or retaliate as if you are an ad blocker, so I'm glad to see this is becoming more widespread, those problems may be fixed.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Does anyone know why this is showing up on Github as well? I just saw this banner when I logged in. Why would Github be using Flash? (A quick Google search shows they used to use it for the network graph but it is now Canvas.)

Github uses flash for the 'copy to clipboard' button to copy an http or ssh url to the clipboard.

Something I noticed after making my Flash click-to-activate a while back. That seems like a HUMONGOUS tunnel to create in order to allow copy to clipboard, and fairly irresponsible on GitHub's part.

What developer doesn't know how to copy to clipboard?

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