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New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

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Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#51

That flag-waving and chanting of U-S-A U-S-A at the point of closest approach was one of the most appalling, jingoistic, alienating spectacles I've ever seen. You'd think they had just planted the flag in the soil ( ice? ) and claimed Pluto for God and America. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Space Race is over. Grow up. You're doing this for all humanity.

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Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#52
In honor of Clyde William Tombaugh [1], the astronomer who discovered Pluto, a canister [2] containing his ashes is on-board the New Horizons space probe. It reads:

"Interned herein are remains of American Clyde W. Tombaugh, discoverer of Pluto and the Solar System's 'Third Zone.' Adelle and Muron's boy, Patricia's husband, Annette and Alden's father, astronomer, teacher, punster, and friend: Clyde W. Tombaugh (1906 - 1997)."

A fitting tribute.

[1] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Clyde_Tombaugh

[2] http://media2.s-nbcnews.com/j/newscms/2015_28/1109391/150706...

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#53

That flag-waving and chanting of U-S-A U-S-A at the point of closest approach was one of the most appalling, jingoistic, alienating spectacles I've ever seen. You'd think they had just planted the flag in the soil ( ice? ) and claimed Pluto for God and America. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Space Race is over. Grow up. You're doing this for all humanity.

Just like with Rosetta, there are always people eager to tear down the accomplishments of others.

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#54
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true that all of humanity will benefit, but it's also true that a very specific subset of humanity payed for it. Look at it from a purely practical perspective - it is absolutely unnecessary for anyone outside of America to like this program! The American voting public took on all of the downsides of this program (the expense, mainly). They hold complete control over its existence, and the existence of many miss…

Rosetta/Philae was a European achievement paid by the EU public, yet that barely gets mentioned. It's really a shame that the endless churn of downbeat economic news has overshadowed everything good that European countries are able to do together... Maybe Europe would benefit from having a bit more American-style "rah-rah" patriotism around the good old "12 stars on deep blue" EU flag. Nowadays it seems that we Europ…

Rosetta/Philae were all over the news here in Germany for weeks before and weeks after the approach, landing, etc. Once again here as they came back into communication.

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

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post #7

That flag-waving and chanting of U-S-A U-S-A at the point of closest approach was one of the most appalling, jingoistic, alienating spectacles I've ever seen. You'd think they had just planted the flag in the soil ( ice? ) and claimed Pluto for God and America. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Space Race is over. Grow up. You're doing this for all humanity.

I imagine they do that embarrassing routine so that American TV channels would report on their achievements. If they stick to science, Fox News won't mention it. And if Fox News never mentions NASA, then people get upset about spending their tax dollars on an organization that seemingly does nothing... In Russia, you have to remember to thank Putin. In USA, you have to remember to wave the flag with sufficient enthus…

I remember reading that this spacecraft would not have been launched without a Russian rocket engine, and that the plutonium fuel also came from that country.

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

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post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true that all of humanity will benefit, but it's also true that a very specific subset of humanity payed for it. Look at it from a purely practical perspective - it is absolutely unnecessary for anyone outside of America to like this program! The American voting public took on all of the downsides of this program (the expense, mainly). They hold complete control over its existence, and the existence of many miss…

Rosetta/Philae was a European achievement paid by the EU public, yet that barely gets mentioned. It's really a shame that the endless churn of downbeat economic news has overshadowed everything good that European countries are able to do together... Maybe Europe would benefit from having a bit more American-style "rah-rah" patriotism around the good old "12 stars on deep blue" EU flag. Nowadays it seems that we Europ…

Rosetta/Philae was all over the news a few months ago. Not sure what news sources you read but I saw it everywhere, including cool animations about their lander

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#57
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true that all of humanity will benefit, but it's also true that a very specific subset of humanity payed for it. Look at it from a purely practical perspective - it is absolutely unnecessary for anyone outside of America to like this program! The American voting public took on all of the downsides of this program (the expense, mainly). They hold complete control over its existence, and the existence of many miss…

Rosetta/Philae was a European achievement paid by the EU public, yet that barely gets mentioned. It's really a shame that the endless churn of downbeat economic news has overshadowed everything good that European countries are able to do together... Maybe Europe would benefit from having a bit more American-style "rah-rah" patriotism around the good old "12 stars on deep blue" EU flag. Nowadays it seems that we Europ…

> Maybe Europe would benefit from having a bit more American-style "rah-rah" patriotism around the good old "12 stars on deep blue" EU flag.

Something most americans don't understand is how repulsive blatant patriotism is. A lot of europeans, along with their nationality, have a sense of being "european", just like most americans have a sense of being "american" (rather than just "Californian" or what have you).

There's nothing wrong with being proud of your country (or continent). There's everything wrong with an "in your face, my country is better than yours" attitude.

If you're a citizen of any EU country, you can just go anywhere else in Europe, no questions asked. You're welcome, anywhere in Europe. I travel a lot. I move a lot (I've lived in several different countries in the EU). This is one hell of a wonderful feeling; and even though, by distances, EU countries are similar to US states... there's really nothing like being immersed in a completely different environment. The weather is different, the language is different, the customs are different.

Singing the national anthem in schools? Chanting "! !" whenever something cool happens which you want to be a part of? It's alright I suppose when you aren't constantly crossing national borders. When there's only [edit: realistically] two other countries on your continent. Nobody's going to be offended (well, nobody that will be able to tell you). But it's the last thing Europe needs.

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#58
As a child, I loved reading about space and astronomy. I think I pretty much read every book about these topics my local town's library. (It wasn't a large {town, library}) Isaac Asimov's non-fiction books were among my favourites.

I never imagined that now we'd be getting the level of detail seen in these photos of Pluto (level of detail akin to a Moon shot), which until now, only existed in my mind from various artistic impressions. I can only imagine how the folks on the New Horizons team feel after seeing the results of their work after so much time and effort.

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#60

That flag-waving and chanting of U-S-A U-S-A at the point of closest approach was one of the most appalling, jingoistic, alienating spectacles I've ever seen. You'd think they had just planted the flag in the soil ( ice? ) and claimed Pluto for God and America. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Space Race is over. Grow up. You're doing this for all humanity.

Jingoistic? Do you know how to use that word? Quit the hyperbole.
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