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New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

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Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#32

That flag-waving and chanting of U-S-A U-S-A at the point of closest approach was one of the most appalling, jingoistic, alienating spectacles I've ever seen. You'd think they had just planted the flag in the soil ( ice? ) and claimed Pluto for God and America. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Space Race is over. Grow up. You're doing this for all humanity.

Monumental achievement in science and in space, and you make it about war. Grow up, indeed.

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#33
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's true that all of humanity will benefit, but it's also true that a very specific subset of humanity payed for it. Look at it from a purely practical perspective - it is absolutely unnecessary for anyone outside of America to like this program! The American voting public took on all of the downsides of this program (the expense, mainly). They hold complete control over its existence, and the existence of many miss…

Rosetta/Philae was a European achievement paid by the EU public, yet that barely gets mentioned. It's really a shame that the endless churn of downbeat economic news has overshadowed everything good that European countries are able to do together... Maybe Europe would benefit from having a bit more American-style "rah-rah" patriotism around the good old "12 stars on deep blue" EU flag. Nowadays it seems that we Europ…

oh please, no american-style patriotism here in europe. I respect our american friends, but please, just... no. to give reasons would mean insulting probably more than few, so I refrain from that. let's say we're not all the same, we've grown up in different environments, and there are quite a few things I personally don't like in current US, and would not see many reasons to be proud.

that we have our own issues is true, just as everybody else out there, including US. personally I am proud of any european space achievement, especially since it's obvious how hard it is to do some coordinated international effort.

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#34

That flag-waving and chanting of U-S-A U-S-A at the point of closest approach was one of the most appalling, jingoistic, alienating spectacles I've ever seen. You'd think they had just planted the flag in the soil ( ice? ) and claimed Pluto for God and America. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Space Race is over. Grow up. You're doing this for all humanity.

It's true that all of humanity will benefit, but it's also true that a very specific subset of humanity payed for it. Look at it from a purely practical perspective - it is absolutely unnecessary for anyone outside of America to like this program! The American voting public took on all of the downsides of this program (the expense, mainly). They hold complete control over its existence, and the existence of many miss…

It can be said the people of the world payed for it given American imperialism abroad. All the reparations countries pay might have contributed...

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#35

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Assuming you're being sarcastic; those are actual competitions between nations, by design. His entire point was that this is not a competition. Obviously, if it were, America would be winning. That's not being contested; the problem is not that the US won, the problem is that by continuing to beat the rest of the world over the head with it they are alienating a large chunk of the world. The Art Of War, and all that.

Are Europeans so hypersensitive that the we should ban celebrations at NASA?

patriotism in such things as space exploration is laughable, however reasonable commercial reasons behind it are (well described in another post). seeing logic "usa reached pluto" instead of "mankind reached pluto" is a bit sad, and i don't care if it's US, China, India or Monaco spacecraft. it just feels as wrong and antiquated view of the world... but maybe typical to generic US person? (no clue really)

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#36
post #16

A larger image was just posted to the New Horizons Twitter account. Image: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CJ32XAEVAAAp_8T.png:large Tweet: https://twitter.com/NASANewHorizons/status/62092320062141235...

I bet the scientists just hate that this stuff is shared on Twitter. They made a big deal that this was transmitted from New Horizons as a compressed image (to transmit it quickly) and then it gets mauled by Twitter's recompression too.

It's not like these copies replace the higher-res ones. Not a project scientist, but I'd rather as many people as possible see some image than only a few see only any at all.

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#37
post #29

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Are Europeans so hypersensitive that the we should ban celebrations at NASA?

Why, out of all parts of the world, do you bring up Europe specifically?

Is there some other area that feels they have a right to not be offended?

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#38

That flag-waving and chanting of U-S-A U-S-A at the point of closest approach was one of the most appalling, jingoistic, alienating spectacles I've ever seen. You'd think they had just planted the flag in the soil ( ice? ) and claimed Pluto for God and America. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Space Race is over. Grow up. You're doing this for all humanity.

Some excited researchers expressing their joy at one of the greatest scientific accomplishments of the age "was one of the most appalling, jingoistic, alienating spectacles [you've] ever seen?"

You, sir, need to watch the news.

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

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post #36
post #16

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I bet the scientists just hate that this stuff is shared on Twitter. They made a big deal that this was transmitted from New Horizons as a compressed image (to transmit it quickly) and then it gets mauled by Twitter's recompression too.

It's not like these copies replace the higher-res ones. Not a project scientist, but I'd rather as many people as possible see some image than only a few see only any at all.

The problem is when people zoom in and "see" things in the JPEG compression artifacts.

Also when they release the pic on Twitter in crappy form before they release it in uncompressed form.

Re: New Horizons: Nasa spacecraft speeds past Pluto

#40

That flag-waving and chanting of U-S-A U-S-A at the point of closest approach was one of the most appalling, jingoistic, alienating spectacles I've ever seen. You'd think they had just planted the flag in the soil ( ice? ) and claimed Pluto for God and America. Ladies and Gentlemen, the Space Race is over. Grow up. You're doing this for all humanity.

If we can't cheer for our country over this, then when would it possibly be appropriate? There was plenty of cheering ("jingoism") about Rosetta too, as I remember. And it was just as appropriate.
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