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Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by giancarlostoro »

Gys wrote: post #90
programmernews3 wrote: post #70

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The problem is the long tail of sites or site features that don't work without flash and users who rely on those sites or site features. I've heard Facebook video and last.fm streaming don't work without Flash for eg.

Maybe you missed this ? But this whole discussion on the death of Flash was started by Facebook: http://thenextweb.com/facebook/2015/07/13/flash-aah-aah-its-...

Every video on Facebook still relies on Flash though. So I'm not sure why they haven't put their money where their mouth is about it yet? Would make Facebook a lot more accessible in most cases for me not having to rely on Flash whatsoever just to view a video. I usually end up not watching a number of videos after I realize it wont let me watch them without Flash.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by proactivesvcs »

sown wrote: post #22

I just noticed notice in the browser window. I didn't recall seeing it earlier so when I saw this headline, I clicked on the link. I chuckled when I saw this: http://i.imgur.com/CHqRSEZ.png :)

Do you want to enable 'Adobe Flash' for the site adobe.com? [Never for this site]

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by vbezhenar »

paganel wrote: post #65
kozukumi wrote: post #50

God will Flash just die already. Firefox is my primary browser and I run it without Flash. On the very odd occasion I need it I have IE in protected mode which has Flash built in. If a site does use Flash I will seek an alternative though as I hate it that much. On a side note Firefox without Flash is so much smoother. IMHO it is the fastest and most stable browser when it doesn't have Flash bogging it down.

> God will Flash just die already. 5 to 7 years ago I would have said the same thing, I hated Flash with a passion. But now, when it's almost gone for good, I see that it had its reasons. For example the new Google Street View is many times slower and lags so much as to give me motion sickness (when it's not blocking my browser) compared to the previous version, which was Flash-based, and which used to work like a ch…

Here's flashless street view from Yandex: https://maps.yandex.ru/-/CVcbFJYs

I don't have much problems with Firefox, it seems to work smooth. May be it's Google's fault?

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by ild »

przemoc wrote: post #73
jacobolus wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The new Google Maps is also dramatically slower, laggier, and buggier than the old version which was a regular web app built to work on browsers from 2005. I think the terribleness of recent Google web front-ends (not only Maps and Street View but also Search, Mail, Groups, Gplus, etc.) is mostly a product of incompetent management process internal to Google, rather than an indictment of web technology generally.

FWIW, Google Maps are generally noticeably slower and laggier in Firefox when compared to Chrome.

Still, old one was faster.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

#105

Post by exodust »

vultour wrote: post #77
HugoDaniel wrote: post #32

Unfortunately in this case avoiding the problem won't make it go away. Many old sites will stop working (my first site was done in flash) as well as many games that are still heavily played today by millions of people. Also flash IDE provides a good introduction to programming for self-taught kids these days: many of them still do their first code in flash after clicking on "that strange icon next to photoshop". Over…

When i wanted to start programming one of the things I tried was flash. I absolutely couldn't figure out what the fuck was going on even with tutorials, it's garbage.

That's strange, I found Flash programming very accessible. There's a huge amount of good learning material out there, and plenty of shortcuts and components you can use to do quite complex things.

Flash components were really interesting, and made it easier for non-programmers, or designers to manipulate a user-friendly "API" of sorts within Flash. This was very powerful. Hugely underrated and conventionality forgotten by the Flash-haters.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by vbezhenar »

mrweasel wrote: post #33

I uninstalled Flash a few days ago, because I didn't want to deal with the updates anymore. Since Flash was unbundled from Mac OS X it has become a pain to update. I simply don't understand why I need to go to the Adobe site to get the updates. Flash isn't super relevant anymore anyway, the main thing it's used for on my computer is Flash tracking cookies, and I can do without those. I do wonder how some of the track…

HSTS subdomain tracking is probably the best method of tracking, because it works in private mode and there's no easy way to clear those "cookies".

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by Coding_Cat »

proactivesvcs wrote: post #98
velcro wrote: post #42

Bugs are always bad (and security bugs even more so) - but I've always felt that Flash gets a disproportional amount of hate/hype in the media. To some degree it should be normal that the more widespread a technology is - the more it gets targeted for security exploits. If you run the popular browsers/plugins against the National Vulnerability Database, you'd get the following results (as of January 2014): - Internet…

I have a lot of experience of end users and they are forever telling me that they get so many different "Update this", "Update that" windows that they can no longer distinguish real from fake. Some of them have been tricked by fake web site pop-ups as a result, others ignore legitimate update messages. I do not blame them. Internet Explorer and Google Chrome get updated in a way that most end users find to be simple…

Flash also comes with McAffee (or some other bundleware). I wouldn't be surprised if the reason why they haven't made a proper auto-updater is because of that. That they'd miss out on those miniscule profits they get from that.

Re: Firefox makes click-to-activate Flash the default

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Post by fao_ »

proactivesvcs wrote: post #98
velcro wrote: post #42

Bugs are always bad (and security bugs even more so) - but I've always felt that Flash gets a disproportional amount of hate/hype in the media. To some degree it should be normal that the more widespread a technology is - the more it gets targeted for security exploits. If you run the popular browsers/plugins against the National Vulnerability Database, you'd get the following results (as of January 2014): - Internet…

I have a lot of experience of end users and they are forever telling me that they get so many different "Update this", "Update that" windows that they can no longer distinguish real from fake. Some of them have been tricked by fake web site pop-ups as a result, others ignore legitimate update messages. I do not blame them. Internet Explorer and Google Chrome get updated in a way that most end users find to be simple…

  I have a lot of experience of end users and they are 
  forever telling me that they get so many different "Update 
  this", "Update that" windows that they can no longer 
  distinguish real from fake. Some of them have been tricked 
  by fake web site pop-ups as a result, others ignore 
  legitimate update messages. I do not blame them.
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