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The Electric Car

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Re: The Electric Car

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Wait to buy an electric car until it's convenient for you to charge it?

That means few millenials will ever be able to own them; real estate is just too damn expensive to buy, nevermind the car that you really only can get once you own a house with a garage.

you dont need a garage, you can just have a lead, my friend was doing it like that in london 5 years ago! just had a lead coming out of his house onto the street!

Re: The Electric Car

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I don't think people full comprehend the price drop that is imminent. The total cost of ownership per mile for a car in the U.S. right now is about $0.60. I was watching a panel the other day where someone calculated the cost per mile of a fleet of self-driving on-demand electric cars at $0.08. That an 86% reduction. People might have their misgivings about any of this stuff... electric, self-driving, carshare, and o…

If a Tesla Model S costs $70000, even if electricity and maintenance are free (and there's no premium for self-driving) you would have to drive it 875000 miles for it to cost $0.08/mile. This seems like the type of thing that is literally unbelievable without more evidence than "I heard somebody on a panel say this".

You won't buy the car outright, and you won't drive all those 875,000 miles. You will rent it as required and others will use it the other 99% of the time.

Look at taxis/Uber and think about what portion of the cost is licensing (Uber's cut in their case), wage and fuel.

Re: The Electric Car

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Part of the iPhones success was the base of iPod users with music collections in the ecosystem that could only get it on the their phone with an "upgrade". No such thing exists for Telsa. Now when someone figures out drive as a service and it cost <$200/mo for the average user with a commute. You have a disruptive scenario.

Re: The Electric Car

#124

While I agree with the author that electric vehicles will in not long time dominate the car market, I strongly disagree with point #3: > Gas stations will start to go out of business as many more electric cars are sold, making gasoline powered vehicles even more inconvenient. Gas stations even today don't make money with gas, it's next to a loss leader to get customers into the store and spend money on snacks and car…

Aren't they convenient because they're only a few yards from your car? If you no longer need to drive to the gas station to get fuel, it's a lot less convenient, isn't it?

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> The truth is we're really not that close to fully-autonomous cars. Google cars are pretty damn close to level 4 autonomous vehicles. They've driven more than a million miles fully autonomously, and Google runs their self-driving vehicle algorithms against simulated virtual worlds constantly (with data previously collected from their self driving cars). We are so much closer to fully autonomous cars than people thin…

> They've driven more than a million miles fully autonomously Zero of those miles were at a speeds > 25 mph. And the cars have averaged > 1 accident per 100,000 miles.

Haven't all of their accidents been from other cars rear-ending them, while they've been stationary? Not even worth mentioning the accidents in that case.

Re: The Electric Car

#126

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For refill time, note that most electric car owners do almost all of their charging in their own garages overnight... not something that's common for gas-powered cars. Long trips are worse for electric cars, sure. But day-to-day driving? Charging is not an issue if you can charge in your garage.

For those of us who live in apartment buildings and don't have a garage where we can install such things, then what? To me this has always been the biggest obstacle of an electric car.

There are a number of players looking to open up that market. It will be a second order effect, once electric charging becomes a market driver for high end apartments. See this link for a quick example: http://cleantechnica.com/2015/04/15/chargepoint-offering-sol...

Re: The Electric Car

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> Current predictions of the future of electric cars are as wrong as any predictions about the future of mobile phones made in 2005.

I find it odd that Mr. Ralston says this while predicting the future of electric cars. Surely he meant "Everyone else's current predictions…"

Re: The Electric Car

#128

My big qualm with the electric cars that I don't read about is the 40minute-1hour charging. People complain that charging stations aren't near them, but the convenience of pulling into a gas station filling up and being ready for another 400 miles in less than 5 minutes is hard to beat. Even if the charging stations were all around, 5 versus 40-60 min is a big difference.

Why wouldn't you have your car charging overnight? It'd be great to not have to bother stopping at a grotty petrol station - can't wait for that to be over.

I have read countless bits about charging times, Supercharger network, hot-swappable battery plans, etc. Surprised you've missed it in electric vehicle discussions and articles.

Re: The Electric Car

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> They've driven more than a million miles fully autonomously Zero of those miles were at a speeds > 25 mph. And the cars have averaged > 1 accident per 100,000 miles.

Haven't all of their accidents been from other cars rear-ending them, while they've been stationary? Not even worth mentioning the accidents in that case.

> The Google cars have been rear-ended seven times, often when stopped "but also on the freeway," wrote Urmson, director of Google's self-driving car program. In other collisions, the cars were side-swiped or "hit by a car rolling through a stop sign." Eight of the 11 collisions were on city streets.

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/297ef1bfb75847de95d856fb08dc0...

Re: The Electric Car

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My big qualm with the electric cars that I don't read about is the 40minute-1hour charging. People complain that charging stations aren't near them, but the convenience of pulling into a gas station filling up and being ready for another 400 miles in less than 5 minutes is hard to beat. Even if the charging stations were all around, 5 versus 40-60 min is a big difference.

People mention this frequently, but they never mention how often they procrastinate on stopping by the gas station when it's time to fill up. And the additional anxiety associated with not knowing if you pushed it too far and aren't going to make it to the gas station. Or the times you're later than you wanted because you forgot you needed to get gas. I've never had this problem since getting my Tesla since it's always charged. I've spent maybe 2 hours charging at a supercharger in the ~9000 miles so far. I would have easily spent a similar amount of total time driving to gas stations and filling up in my previous car, since ~5 minutes times ~9000 / ~350 is about 2 hours. And when you're sitting at a supercharger you can do things like eat or read your kindle. And if you needed to stop to eat anyways, it doesn't really take any additional time.
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