JavaScript developers are incredible at problem solving, unfortunately

Post by Latty » Fri, Jul 10, 2015, 3:07 PM UTC

lkrubner wrote: post #34

felixgallo wrote: post #8

One wonders how we get out of this mess. You'd have thought that Microsoft/Google/Apple/whomever would have at least tried to include a better alternative language in their browser by now. What stops them besides inertia?

X, Flash, Swing, JavaFX, SilverLight, AWT and more were all attempts to offer a GUI over TCP. The important question is why they all failed. This is a complex issue and many good essays have been written that address parts of the question. Still, I think most of it can be boiled down to 3 things: 1.) some were closed-source and proprietary 2.) some were needlessly verbose, or enforced a workflow that made it difficul…

Post by robertfw » Fri, Jul 10, 2015, 4:06 PM UTC

PopeOfNope wrote: post #69

sanderjd wrote: post #62

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I don't think this is a good enough business model to explain so many tools popping up. Firstly, it's hard and expensive to make a tool good enough to become popular. But more importantly (and increasingly), it's extremely hard and very risky to build a community to a critical mass where it can sustain itself, precisely because there are so many tools competing for attention. I think tools pop up despite this difficu…

I think there's a misunderstanding; I'm not saying people profit from the tools. They profit from consulting for companies who have adopted the technology, which is a very, very lucrative field. Just look at the Rails consulting shops. edit: I just re-read my previous statement and you're absolutely correct in your analysis of what I actually said vs what I meant. I've since changed the post to read "technology" inst…

Post by atinoda-kestrel » Fri, Jul 10, 2015, 9:40 PM UTC

lispm wrote: post #86

atinoda-kestrel wrote: post #41

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> I find most people who have gripes with JS prototypes are the ones who are used to classical inheritance. Counterpoint: Scheme/Lisp/FP fans also don't tend to like it. Myself included.

Not really. The idea of protypical object-systems is for a large part coming out of the Lisp community (and the Smalltalk community) and was used long before Self or Javascript. Check the works of Henry Lieberman. The Self developers got the idea of 'delegation' from him. Object Lisp was a prototype-based object system used in LMI's Lisp Machine OS and in Macintosh Common Lisp (until it was replaced by the then devel…

Post by insin » Sat, Jul 11, 2015, 2:25 AM UTC

SomeCallMeTim wrote: post #96

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My comment is arguably overelliptical, so I'm going to 'splain: 1) I agree that the author sounds like a lot of developers who have a "What am I going to do without the exact class semantics I'm used to?" moment when they get to JS, and rather than learn to answer that question, they either decide that it's an inherent black mark on the language or go on a long quest trying to get something more like the semantics of…

I come from games, which actually map to OO design better than most domains, from what I can tell. And while I was briefly of the OO religion, I've since recovered and appreciate all paradigms for what they can best accomplish. I'm "Post-OO". :) I do still consider implementation inheritance to be useful. But it's certainly used poorly in a lot of circumstances (along with MOST of OO design, including most of Java),…

Post by mstechfreak2 » Mon, Jul 13, 2015, 6:11 AM UTC

hkmix wrote: post #70

PebblesHD wrote: post #64

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For all the hype I hear about dvorak and other alternate keyboard layouts, I've never met anyone who could type significantly faster on it than I could on qwerty. This isn't objective in any way but from experience I can't say its any 'better'. As for ergonomics and other peripheral effects, I can't comment as I haven't looked into them.

Well objectively it's less finger travel and more home row use, so it has its merits. The issue is that qwerty is such a de facto standard that you'll run into many layout issues using dvorak.