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Re: Fuse – Write cross platform native apps using C# and JavaScript

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

Duckers wrote: post #29
knocte wrote: post #28

Some brief questions: * Will you open-source Uno? * Will you have a freemium model? (Free for opensource apps.) * Will you change the name like others have suggested? * Will you consider a no-JS model to develop? If all of the answers are YES to the above, then please sign me up for the beta.

* Will you open-source Uno? Very likely - but details/license TBA. * Will you have a freemium model? (Free for opensource apps.) Yes, there will always be a free way of using Fuse and Uno. * Will you change the name like others have suggested? No :) * Will you consider a no-JS model to develop? Yup. We have that already. You can use Fuse with just Uno if you like, JS is an optional component. However, our main focus…

Oh really, you're not going to change the name because 3 people on HN suggested it?

Good on you :)

I doubt it will make a real difference to anyone that wants to use it. If Google can name a language Go, then you can name your product Fuse.

Re: Fuse – Write cross platform native apps using C# and JavaScript

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Post by Duckers »

dementrock wrote: post #30
Duckers wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Will you open-source Uno? Very likely - but details/license TBA. * Will you have a freemium model? (Free for opensource apps.) Yes, there will always be a free way of using Fuse and Uno. * Will you change the name like others have suggested? No :) * Will you consider a no-JS model to develop? Yup. We have that already. You can use Fuse with just Uno if you like, JS is an optional component. However, our main focus…

OP here - I don't work for Fuse and I've got a related question. Will the Fuse libraries be open-sourced too?

They are already provided in source to those with access to the beta, so yeah :) Again, license TBD.

Re: Fuse – Write cross platform native apps using C# and JavaScript

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Post by nadams »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #31
Duckers wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Will you open-source Uno? Very likely - but details/license TBA. * Will you have a freemium model? (Free for opensource apps.) Yes, there will always be a free way of using Fuse and Uno. * Will you change the name like others have suggested? No :) * Will you consider a no-JS model to develop? Yup. We have that already. You can use Fuse with just Uno if you like, JS is an optional component. However, our main focus…

Oh really, you're not going to change the name because 3 people on HN suggested it? Good on you :) I doubt it will make a real difference to anyone that wants to use it. If Google can name a language Go, then you can name your product Fuse.

> Oh really, you're not going to change the name because 3 people on HN suggested it?

I'm sure the people behind FUSE file system library might have some comments to add. I would never name my product after a major open source project. Like as if I created something and called it Blender or Pencil.

Re: Fuse – Write cross platform native apps using C# and JavaScript

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Post by WorldWideWayne »

nadams wrote: post #33
WorldWideWayne wrote: post #31

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Oh really, you're not going to change the name because 3 people on HN suggested it? Good on you :) I doubt it will make a real difference to anyone that wants to use it. If Google can name a language Go, then you can name your product Fuse.

> Oh really, you're not going to change the name because 3 people on HN suggested it? I'm sure the people behind FUSE file system library might have some comments to add. I would never name my product after a major open source project. Like as if I created something and called it Blender or Pencil.

I doubt they have the money to do anything about it. Furthermore, I doubt they have a trademark on the name because it costs $10k to get one.

The worst they could do is to blog about it and if they're lucky and get coverage with their article, it could be settled in the court of public opinion.

Re: Fuse – Write cross platform native apps using C# and JavaScript

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Post by king_magic »

amelius wrote: post #17

Why can't we just write html+css+javascript, and run that on the native platform in an efficient and seamless way? That would seem like a much more welcome approach.

  > in an efficient and seamless way
Because no one has come close to pulling that off yet.

Re: Fuse – Write cross platform native apps using C# and JavaScript

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Post by tluyben2 »

CmonDev wrote: post #10
golergka wrote: post #8

Javascript, javascript, javascript... So, where's the C#? > Uno, a light-weight, high speed dialect of C#. Ah! Here it is. A light-weight dialect, you say. Similar to Unity3d's old Mono fork that hasn't been updated since .Net 2.5, and still crashes when you attempt to use some of language features (like named parameters)?

Yes, at least he could reverse the order of words in the subj. The link on the website leads to the API docs - there is no language description. I bet "high-speed" actually means "we removed things we think you don't need". Feels like a Unity3d-inspired afterthought. It does not matter though, the world is moving away from JS. Better support the full C#.

Not sure if it will go that fast , but i'm using any language that compiles to JS instead of using JS. That includes C#, but rather ClojureScript, PureScript & Shen. It is definitely already possible to never touch JS, however the debugging side of things is not very nice mostly... You have to dive into the generated JS and then have to think how it translates to your code... With webassembly that should be a lot better.

Re: Fuse – Write cross platform native apps using C# and JavaScript

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Post by kej »

davrosthedalek wrote: post #2

Please don't name it Fuse. Yes, it's a good name, but there is already a rather well known project with that name, plus it's a common household item. You make it unnecessary hard to be found and not con-fuse-d (hah!) by users. I speak from experience: I often have to look up errors/bugs related to root. Root as in "CERN analysis software", not the user. One of the most annoying names ever. (In that sense it's rather…

It's interesting that FUSE (the file system library) has a FAQ entry about why they chose the name when there was already a ZX Spectrum emulator named Fuse. Apparently it's name collisions all the way down.

Re: Fuse – Write cross platform native apps using C# and JavaScript

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Post by kej »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #34
nadams wrote: post #33

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Oh really, you're not going to change the name because 3 people on HN suggested it? I'm sure the people behind FUSE file system library might have some comments to add. I would never name my product after a major open source project. Like as if I created something and called it Blender or Pencil.

I doubt they have the money to do anything about it. Furthermore, I doubt they have a trademark on the name because it costs $10k to get one. The worst they could do is to blog about it and if they're lucky and get coverage with their article, it could be settled in the court of public opinion.

Trademarks are free, you just start putting ™ after it and using it like a trademark. Registered trademarks ® cost money, but even then it's only a few hundred depending on which filing option you choose. Just the same, the file system guys don't seem to treat it as a trademark, so it's not an issue here.

Re: Fuse – Write cross platform native apps using C# and JavaScript

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Post by knocte »

Duckers wrote: post #29
knocte wrote: post #28

Some brief questions: * Will you open-source Uno? * Will you have a freemium model? (Free for opensource apps.) * Will you change the name like others have suggested? * Will you consider a no-JS model to develop? If all of the answers are YES to the above, then please sign me up for the beta.

* Will you open-source Uno? Very likely - but details/license TBA. * Will you have a freemium model? (Free for opensource apps.) Yes, there will always be a free way of using Fuse and Uno. * Will you change the name like others have suggested? No :) * Will you consider a no-JS model to develop? Yup. We have that already. You can use Fuse with just Uno if you like, JS is an optional component. However, our main focus…

>Very likely - but details/license TBA. >Yes, there will always be a free way of using Fuse and Uno.

If I had to choose, I would release the whole platform (not only Uno and your libraries, but your whole toolkit/IDE) under dual license: RPL and proprietary. This way, if people choose the RPL way, they're forced to publish the sources (even if they distribute the app internally), unless they buy you a license. And this way you allow contributions from outside too.

Re: Fuse – Write cross platform native apps using C# and JavaScript

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Post by rajington »

WorldWideWayne wrote: post #31
Duckers wrote: post #29

Earlier quoted context omitted.

* Will you open-source Uno? Very likely - but details/license TBA. * Will you have a freemium model? (Free for opensource apps.) Yes, there will always be a free way of using Fuse and Uno. * Will you change the name like others have suggested? No :) * Will you consider a no-JS model to develop? Yup. We have that already. You can use Fuse with just Uno if you like, JS is an optional component. However, our main focus…

Oh really, you're not going to change the name because 3 people on HN suggested it? Good on you :) I doubt it will make a real difference to anyone that wants to use it. If Google can name a language Go, then you can name your product Fuse.

You just search "Fuse mobile" and filter out a lot of stuff. I bet it was hard for Cisco people when iOS came out.
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