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Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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The whole "porn = loneliness" equation is really getting old. People with sex lives watch porn. People in relationships watch porn. Females watch porn. Couples watch porn together. Couples make porn together. Masturbation is natural, normal and healthy, and it's about time we stop the false "watches porn = lonely loser" equation.

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Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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> It’s not difficult to imagine a future where a cohort of the male population — especially those who have trouble connecting with members of their preferred sex — sits at home many nights with the Oculus Rift strapped to their heads, living out their sexual fantasies in VR, having their psychology further shaped and distorted by the persistent absence of connection with real life people. Regardless, the future of po…

And another song, also from 1979 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=Rm00l5N8Jao

I Love You Miss Robot, Electronic tease... programmed just to please. etc.

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone else asked above, who is "we?" And why is it any business of "ours" whether someone decides that relationships (in the romantic/sexual sense) with other people are something he/she wants?

My language was admittedly a bit sloppy, but I was talking specifically about people who are turning to porn to fill the need/want in their sexual life for a partner. If that's what someone genuinely wants, and it's what makes them happy [1], then good for them. [1] As opposed simply to being a means of getting off while avoiding the risk and vulnerability that human intimacy tends to require. Even then, if that's th…

> Even then, if that's the choice they're making, it's their life, I guess. I've just known a few people who did make that choice, and invariably, they felt wretched about it. Because of the act itself, or the social stigma put upon the act?

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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> It’s not difficult to imagine a future where a cohort of the male population — especially those who have trouble connecting with members of their preferred sex — sits at home many nights with the Oculus Rift strapped to their heads, living out their sexual fantasies in VR, having their psychology further shaped and distorted by the persistent absence of connection with real life people. Regardless, the future of po…

I teach in a college. our challenges are four: pot, porn, poker, and playstation. This combines porn and playstation. I fear they will next find a way to bring in pot. That'll be a problem.

Poker/gambling is a common impediment in education? Where, if I may ask? I would have guessed the others, but I'm surprised by this one.

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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On one hand I'm ok with more and more dudes being taken out of the game because they're too busy fapping to increasingly more realistic pornography. At the same time, it's not obvious that the kind of men that are happy to fully migrate their sexual needs to VR porn weren't already out of the dating pool in the first place. They likely were already consuming regular porn as surrogate for their sexual lives. On the ot…

That depends on them being interest at all.

As an Norwegian i came upon an article a year or two ago, based on book by a social scientist that had found that the Norwegian family was changing.

As the female part of the population has gained more equal economic terms, a pattern had emerged where a single "stud" man was being passed around from woman to woman. Once she found herself pregnant he was shown the door.

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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The whole "porn = loneliness" equation is really getting old. People with sex lives watch porn. People in relationships watch porn. Females watch porn. Couples watch porn together. Couples make porn together. Masturbation is natural, normal and healthy, and it's about time we stop the false "watches porn = lonely loser" equation.

I don't know. It's like we're running a giant experiment on everybody, using powerful digital technologies , without even a safe process for estimating and controlling the risks and optimizing for positives. And we do this without even achieving a scientific consensus on regular pornography and it's impact - without even understanding the results of the previous technology, if any. Maybe we should understand that bef…

Not knowing the consequences of something is an insufficient reason not to do it. You're invoking a form of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance (Namely, that it hasn't been proven safe, so should be presumed unsafe.)

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I don't know. It's like we're running a giant experiment on everybody, using powerful digital technologies , without even a safe process for estimating and controlling the risks and optimizing for positives. And we do this without even achieving a scientific consensus on regular pornography and it's impact - without even understanding the results of the previous technology, if any. Maybe we should understand that bef…

Not knowing the consequences of something is an insufficient reason not to do it. You're invoking a form of https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Argument_from_ignorance (Namely, that it hasn't been proven safe, so should be presumed unsafe.)

there's a difference between doing something , to doing something on a huge scale , no ?

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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post #2

The whole "porn = loneliness" equation is really getting old. People with sex lives watch porn. People in relationships watch porn. Females watch porn. Couples watch porn together. Couples make porn together. Masturbation is natural, normal and healthy, and it's about time we stop the false "watches porn = lonely loser" equation.

Someone needs to make "Tropes vs Men" series.

To anyone who didn't get the context (I can't edit the above post) https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tropes_vs._Women_in_Video_Game...

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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The whole "porn = loneliness" equation is really getting old. People with sex lives watch porn. People in relationships watch porn. Females watch porn. Couples watch porn together. Couples make porn together. Masturbation is natural, normal and healthy, and it's about time we stop the false "watches porn = lonely loser" equation.

You're forgetting the (admittedly, somewhat uncountable) number of people who are substituting porn and masturbation for sexual relationships with real, live human beings. Yes, people in relationships, with sex lives watch porn. Good for them. They aren't the ones we should be concerned about; they aren't the ones whose behavior is (or risks becoming) maladptive. I think you're drawing a false identity here — between…

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Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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post #27
post #19

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone else asked above, who is "we?" And why is it any business of "ours" whether someone decides that relationships (in the romantic/sexual sense) with other people are something he/she wants?

My language was admittedly a bit sloppy, but I was talking specifically about people who are turning to porn to fill the need/want in their sexual life for a partner. If that's what someone genuinely wants, and it's what makes them happy [1], then good for them. [1] As opposed simply to being a means of getting off while avoiding the risk and vulnerability that human intimacy tends to require. Even then, if that's th…

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