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Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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The whole "porn = loneliness" equation is really getting old. People with sex lives watch porn. People in relationships watch porn. Females watch porn. Couples watch porn together. Couples make porn together.

Masturbation is natural, normal and healthy, and it's about time we stop the false "watches porn = lonely loser" equation.

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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post #2

The whole "porn = loneliness" equation is really getting old. People with sex lives watch porn. People in relationships watch porn. Females watch porn. Couples watch porn together. Couples make porn together. Masturbation is natural, normal and healthy, and it's about time we stop the false "watches porn = lonely loser" equation.

Quite right!

Now if only we could accept as a society that sex is natural, normal, and healthy, and that it is a standard part of healthy functioning relationships.

Porn wouldn't be half as popular, I believe, were creep-shaming and the entire romantic-industrial complex not so pervasive.

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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post #2

The whole "porn = loneliness" equation is really getting old. People with sex lives watch porn. People in relationships watch porn. Females watch porn. Couples watch porn together. Couples make porn together. Masturbation is natural, normal and healthy, and it's about time we stop the false "watches porn = lonely loser" equation.

I don't think I argue that masturbation is the problem, nor do I say that "watches porn = lonely loser" at all.

The only point I make is that SOME men (especially those who have a hard time connecting intimately with members of their preferred sex) may go further down the rabbit hole of loneliness.

Hope that came through in the post.

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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On one hand I'm ok with more and more dudes being taken out of the game because they're too busy fapping to increasingly more realistic pornography. At the same time, it's not obvious that the kind of men that are happy to fully migrate their sexual needs to VR porn weren't already out of the dating pool in the first place. They likely were already consuming regular porn as surrogate for their sexual lives.

On the other hand, I realize that women aren't going to sit still, and they're probably going to have to adapt to this new world, meaning they'll possibly follow along and slowly dating might become mostly virtual.

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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post #2

The whole "porn = loneliness" equation is really getting old. People with sex lives watch porn. People in relationships watch porn. Females watch porn. Couples watch porn together. Couples make porn together. Masturbation is natural, normal and healthy, and it's about time we stop the false "watches porn = lonely loser" equation.

You're forgetting the (admittedly, somewhat uncountable) number of people who are substituting porn and masturbation for sexual relationships with real, live human beings.

Yes, people in relationships, with sex lives watch porn. Good for them. They aren't the ones we should be concerned about; they aren't the ones whose behavior is (or risks becoming) maladptive.

I think you're drawing a false identity here — between people who use porn to supplement their sex lives, and people for whom porn is their sex life — and treating the valuable and well-warranted concern for the latter as criticism of the whole.

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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post #2

The whole "porn = loneliness" equation is really getting old. People with sex lives watch porn. People in relationships watch porn. Females watch porn. Couples watch porn together. Couples make porn together. Masturbation is natural, normal and healthy, and it's about time we stop the false "watches porn = lonely loser" equation.

Loneliness is like a gaping wound, anything you try to fill it with just seems to make it hurt more.

Masturbation is fine, but that longing for real human connection, that is something that I don't think is replaceable by any of these forms. Even conversations spread across strangers, it just feels like trying to fit together a jigsaw puzzle with the wrong pieces.

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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The whole "porn = loneliness" equation is really getting old. People with sex lives watch porn. People in relationships watch porn. Females watch porn. Couples watch porn together. Couples make porn together. Masturbation is natural, normal and healthy, and it's about time we stop the false "watches porn = lonely loser" equation.

I don't know. It's like we're running a giant experiment on everybody, using powerful digital technologies , without even a safe process for estimating and controlling the risks and optimizing for positives.

And we do this without even achieving a scientific consensus on regular pornography and it's impact - without even understanding the results of the previous technology, if any. Maybe we should understand that before?

Re: Virtual reality porn and the future of loneliness

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> It’s not difficult to imagine a future where a cohort of the male population — especially those who have trouble connecting with members of their preferred sex — sits at home many nights with the Oculus Rift strapped to their heads, living out their sexual fantasies in VR, having their psychology further shaped and distorted by the persistent absence of connection with real life people. 
Regardless, the future of porn is here, and it is fucking intense.

There's already a hit song about basically this. From 1979. https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=ZF4Z6smOrZw Also related: this film from 1973 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Westworld .

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