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Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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I'm expecting Disney to change the law to allow for authorship reassignment, so the "until death of author+70 years" effectively becomes "until dissolution of The Disney Corporation+70 years", after which we can drop the "+70 years", and expand the public domain retroactively with the works of many recently-deceased artists. That would be, on the whole, a net gain for the public domain.

> That would be, on the whole, a net gain for the public domain. Now that is an interesting thought. Let Disney have Mickey Mouse forever , in exchange for lots of recent stuff. However, I'm not sure it would work. Say I'm an artist. I know that my heirs will have to right to control my works until doomsday if I assign the authorship to a corporation. So I form a trust for that purpose. This sounds like a simple thin…

You could combine it with annual payments. Free copyright for the first 20 years, then annual payments until death of author (person or other legal entity). Disney will still like it, because it will be less money than lobbying, but it will allow older now-unprofitable works to enter the public domain.

Or outright require that the corporation in question shows continuing profit from the work. If they're not profiting, then they're not using it, or are outright misusing it, so everyone else should be allowed a go at it.

Or allow for this transition of authorship to only happen when the corporation itself is inextricably tied with the work in question and would be severely damaged by its passing in the public domain (yes, this is in effect "do you have enough lawyer money" - kind of the same principle as above). Maybe require that the corporation was funded no more than delta(Disney creates Mickey Mouse, Disney creates the Disney corporation) + 1 years after the work in question. This will prevent for example book publishers getting perpetual rights to a book.

However it is formulated, I do think we can afford to cede certain corporate icons to their respective corporations in exchange of saner laws for the common cases.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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post #63

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"Perhaps financial renumeration, while fair, isn't entirely necessary" Is it that in your world, eating and paying the rent isn't necessary either? 'Many' creative people sounds like some programmers, which is somewhat small subset of all creatives. I'd be surprised if the majority of creative people — artists, writers, actors, and more — would happily go about saying that financial renumeration doesn't matter to the…

But saying that being paid to be creative isn't necessarily [sic] means that you get very little art, if at all. Humans have always created art. Modern conceptions of intellectual property have not always existed. Why would art depend on that?

> Humans have always created art. Modern conceptions of intellectual property have not always existed. Why would art depend on that?

Eh? The people who painted on cave walls surely didn't get paid, but they also surely didn't spent much of their time painting. Michaelangelo got paid, painted full time, and achieved mastery. He didn't need IP because copying a painting required a painter. Whatever you think of IP, it's a modern idea to address a modern situation.

Yes, there will always be art. But mastery and time are linked, and time and money are linked. If you want full-time artists, they need money somehow.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Copyright has never worked well.

Sure it has. Copyright has worked reasonably well for a variety of content creators. Authors are on that list. By extension it's worked well for content consumers because those creators were enabled to create more content to be consumed. There's plenty of discussion to be had on improving copyright. Making it better. I think it's definitely been an net benefit.

We don't have that much to compare to, not a lot of control counter-cases. The entire premise that copyright helps authors can be actually questioned. http://questioncopyright.org/promise
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