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Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by luckydude »

luckydude wrote: post #204

I posted this over on reddit but it got lost in the noise: Cool, I guess. But after having spent some time on voat.co I think reddit will get less and less of my attention (not that anyone gives a shit about me but I suspect I'm not alone). Reddit's management has destroyed any sense of trust I had in Reddit (I'm looking at you /u/kn0thing, it's not just Ellen, my understanding is you fired Victoria, right? And then…

Huh. I may have to walk that back. I just got back from cleaning up some Greg Chesson's computers (he passed on) so I haven't been watching stuff.

Caught up and read Steve Huffman's stuff, he seems like the real deal, he seems to care, be all over it, maybe he'll fix it. He at least sounds like someone who gives a shit about the right things.

So maybe I'm wrong, it happens.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by mcphage »

foiboitoi wrote: post #599
CamperBob2 wrote: post #295

Earlier quoted context omitted.

No, it isn't. Given that there was no blatantly illegal content involved, there are only two possible reasons for not treating these two subreddits the same. Either the admins are a) clueless nitwits who don't know what's going on with their own site, or b) sympathetic to one but not the other. Which do you believe is the correct explanation? Can you see any other possibilities?

Funny how you're getting downvoted for stating the obvious.

They're getting downvoted for stating that it would be better if r/fatpeoplehate was still active on Reddit.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by mcphage »

CamperBob2 wrote: post #581
mcphage wrote: post #553

Earlier quoted context omitted.

If you're in my house, I'm going to hold you to a much higher standard than "not blatantly illegal". If you resent Reddit doing the same, well, the Internet isn't lacking for dank underbellies.

So I'm allowed to hold Klan meetings in your house, as long as I don't make fun of any overweight minorities? Because that's what the admins have basically said, by their actions.

> Because that's what the admins have basically said, by their actions.

Nope, the Reddit admins just haven't closed those subreddits yet. But they will. They've closed the child porn subreddits, they've closed the revenge porn subreddits, they've closed the hate groups that bleed out into the larger internet. r/coontown will be closed, too. It hasn't yet, which is a shame, but if you read into that fact that the reddit admins approve of it, then be prepared to be disappointed in a few months when it gets closed, too.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by LGBT_2000 »

justizin wrote: post #137
stefantalpalaru wrote: post #86

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> I also applaud Reddit's announcement for calling the community out on their childish BS You mean this? > [1] Disagreements are fine. Death threats are not, are not covered under free speech, and will continue to get offending users banned. All that opposition - strong enough to convince "Chairman Pao" to resign - reduced to death threats? All those arbitrary bans written off as a just punishment for criminal behavi…

Calling her "Chairman Pao" is racist, but moreso, reductive.

Don't know why people are downvoting this. It's racist. Period. End of discussion.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by kaonashi »

go1dfish wrote: post #190
pkorzeniewski wrote: post #32

“Ellen has done a phenomenal job, especially in the last few months,” he said. What exactly "phenomenal" has she done? Reddit works pretty much the same as it worked several years ago, but in the meantime she managed to piss off the majority of community, which is the only reason Reddit exists

She managed to institute a phenomenally subjective harassment definition while simultaneously throwing free-speech under the bus.

Your precious freeze peach was not infringed one iota. If I'm wrong, please tell me where law enforcement was involved.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by LGBT_2000 »

cthalupa wrote: post #460
MBCook wrote: post #93

I don't like this at all. Even if she wasn't the right person (I don't know), all the worst elements of the site are going to see this as a victory for their awful behavior and it's going to get worse. The people who attacked her with sexism and comments about her personal relationships. The people who supported FPH even though they were attacking people in real life and off Reddit, not just posting comments in their…

>comments about her personal relationships Is it not a relevant comment on her character that she has married someone who (allegedly) defrauded over a hundred million dollars worth of pension funds? That she later sued a company she was fired from over supposed sexism for the exact amount her husband needed for his legal defense fund? That she lost the case miserably due to a complete lack of evidence? (The case agai…

> I don't understand how anyone can defend her and her husband after one of them (allegedly) ruined the pension funds of thousands of clients who trusted them

This is 2015, I really hope you don't need someone to explain to you that women don't have to share the blame for their husbands (alleged) misdeeds. Disgusting.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by LGBT_2000 »

killface wrote: post #502
Uhhrrr wrote: post #212

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It's very much like GamerGate. There is an attempt to deflect an overwhelming amount of legitimate criticism by pointing to a few trolls and characterizing all of it as "racist and misogynist".

Exactly. They seem to forget that she's part of a ponzi scheme, slept with married men to get ahead, etc. Even if it was a bunch of racist/misogynist people, you have to consider that despite the messenger, the message might be valid. That's what being open-minded means.

>Exactly. They seem to forget that she's part of a ponzi scheme, slept with married men to get ahead, etc.

For god's sakes, stop it. This blatant sexism and double standards is disgusting. If Ellen were a man, never in a million years would they be expected to bear responsibility for their spouses' misdeeds or attacked for who they slept with (indeed, they'd be getting high-fived for being a "womanizer" or "stud").

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by LGBT_2000 »

bedhead wrote: post #39

During the KP trial I had always kept an open mind towards her arguments...until I later learned she was married to Buddy Fletcher, one of the biggest scoundrels and thieves in the investment world in recent years. The character and judgment of a person who would fall in love and wed someone like that says more than I can articulate. It's oddly reassuring to see my (and many, many others') skepticism about both her j…

Stop it. Woman do not somehow have to share the blame for their husbands alleged misdeeds. Seriously, this is 2015, not the middle ages where they'd burn a woman at the stake for something her husband did wrong.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by JohnBooty »

zmb_ wrote: post #715
rustynails77 wrote: post #686

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This thread is very interesting and I deeply appreciate the comments people are making, including FoS, fear to comment on FoS, etc. I personally respect freedom of speech, except hate. For example, HN strongly discourages attacking another member personally (eg. calling someone else idiot). I consider this a reasonable limit on freedom of speech, but concepts and opinions should be fully open for discussion (eg. pro/…

> I personally respect freedom of speech, except hate. The problem is that as soon as you draw such a line, you need to appoint a censor to determine what qualifies as "hate". As Christopher Hitchens asked: "To whom would you want to delegate the task to decide for you what you could read? To relieve you of the responsibility of hearing what you might have to hear?" Typically this job falls to the public prosecutors.…

   > The problem is that as soon as you draw such a line
The line needs to be drawn, though. As the saying goes, "Your freedoms end where my freedoms begin."

At some point, hate speech most definitely infringes upon the reader's rights. The canonical example is yelling "FIRE! FIRE!" in a crowded movie theater and causing a stampede; your right to free speech doesn't trump everybody else's right to be safe.

Re: Ellen Pao Is Stepping Down as Reddit’s Chief

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Post by JohnBooty »

benihana wrote: post #727
rustynails77 wrote: post #686

Earlier quoted context omitted.

This thread is very interesting and I deeply appreciate the comments people are making, including FoS, fear to comment on FoS, etc. I personally respect freedom of speech, except hate. For example, HN strongly discourages attacking another member personally (eg. calling someone else idiot). I consider this a reasonable limit on freedom of speech, but concepts and opinions should be fully open for discussion (eg. pro/…

> > I personally respect freedom of speech, except hate. I'm sorry. You don't respect freedom of speech then. Drawing an arbitrary line on what you (or anyone else) considers acceptable isn't free speech. Put it this way: Things that were unacceptable in the 1950s are completely banal and uninteresting now. Things that were considered in poor taste in the past are horribly offensive now (look at Andy Rooney in Breakf…

This argument is pretty easy to deflate: a defender of "absolute free speech" most certainly would not be okay with people walking up to them in the street, following them home and verbally threatening them. So, everybody has an arbitrary line.... somewhere.
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