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The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco in 1950

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Re: The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco in 1950

#41

> This is a crazy story, one that seems like it must be a conspiracy theory. Well, it is a conspiracy theory, isn't it? Just because it's true doesn't make it not a conspiracy theory.

It was a conspiracy.

The evidence means it isn't a theory.

Re: The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco in 1950

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

What I always found "fascinating" about conspiracy theories is how educated, smart people can be convinced by some of them. It's just something that I can't understand.

What seems to happen is that you come across a compelling set of evidence. The evidence is faked, or skewed heavily, but it might be hard to know this. And, as presented, the cases are usually pretty good. If you're unable to immediately dispute them, it isn't totally irrational to think they might be real. This is the reason I don't watch documentaries on modern "issues". The story presented is all very manipulated…

> This is the reason I don't watch documentaries on modern "issues". The story presented is all very manipulated and you're certain to get an incorrect set of evidence.

That's true of essentially any source but I don't know that becoming ignorant of anything that happened during your lifetime is the right answer.

Re: The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco in 1950

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The people of San Francisco had their personalities permanently altered through the Navy's inadvertent distribution of peace juice? The U.S. military created the hippie movement and ended the Vietnam war. Impressive. What other great wrongs can be righted through careful mass infection of populations?

The better joke might be that they found them to be ineffective.

Re: The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco in 1950

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

I would hope NO state would do such a thing in the current time. We are well past the point in civilization to accept this type of action from any state or organization.

Pre 2001 a lot of people would claim that we are also against torture, extrajudicial kidnapping, secret trials, locking people up without trial, mass surveillance, and unprovoked wars. Things change. Just as between WWII and the cold war people likely claimed "we'll never let stuff like what the Nazi's did happen again!" then the country(s) feel threatened and the gloves come off.

You can find lots of people after the Great Depression and the various responses arguing that the economic debates were settled and nobody would ever argue for unfettered investment banks and the like ever again. Meanwhile we got Alan Greenspan.

Re: The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco in 1950

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post #6

They did the same in NY City and Washington DC [0]. [0] https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Project_112

They still do similar things in NYC: http://www.nbcnewyork.com/news/local/NYPD-Brookhaven-Gas-Sub...

But at least this time they announced it ahead of time?

Re: The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco in 1950

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post #12

The UK did the same between 1940 and 1979 in various tests with zinc cadmium sulphide, e.coli and bacillus globigii. I suspect these kind of things are largely the basis for the Chemtrails conspiracy theories. More: http://www.theguardian.com/politics/2002/apr/21/uk.medicalsc...

If you're curious about the chemtrail crowd, I'd recommend the "documentary" 'what in the world are they spraying' https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=jf0khstYDLA It's one of the many conspiracy type videos out there, and I don't endorse the content in any way.. I just find this stuff fascinating

What I find fascinating about the conspiracy theories is that the moment you start believing in one you will start believing in most of them.

As if the logic gate in the brain suddenly stopped working.

Re: The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco in 1950

#48
They did indeed break the code, in particular, provisions 1 and 9 (it is unclear whether they implemented facilities for point 7 or not), however: they reasonably believed that the experiment was harmless (and they were mostly right, given the experiment's scale), and the data they collected would be very usable for saving civilian lives in case of bacterial attack. So, I'm not saying that it's OK, but it's unreasonable to paint this as something completely evil and vicious.

Re: The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco in 1950

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They did indeed break the code, in particular, provisions 1 and 9 (it is unclear whether they implemented facilities for point 7 or not), however: they reasonably believed that the experiment was harmless (and they were mostly right, given the experiment's scale), and the data they collected would be very usable for saving civilian lives in case of bacterial attack. So, I'm not saying that it's OK, but it's unreasona…

I am not sure how you could possibly tolerate that military entity broke the law and made biological experiments on humans, especially when the said experiments resulted in a tragic loss of lives.

This is pure evil.

Re: The military tested bacterial weapons in San Francisco in 1950

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They did indeed break the code, in particular, provisions 1 and 9 (it is unclear whether they implemented facilities for point 7 or not), however: they reasonably believed that the experiment was harmless (and they were mostly right, given the experiment's scale), and the data they collected would be very usable for saving civilian lives in case of bacterial attack. So, I'm not saying that it's OK, but it's unreasona…

They did it in St. Louis as well, and that was testing of an offensive chemical weapon. It's probably unwise to defer to military judgement when they want to test a chemical agent.

http://www.stltoday.com/news/local/crime-and-courts/suit-fil...

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