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How a team of young people helped rebuild healthcare.gov

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Re: How a team of young people helped rebuild healthcare.gov

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Not to take anything away from the "young people" -- who are ages 28+ -- but this article over-sensationalizes their accomplishments.

  "The MPL team had three great technical accomplishments over its 16-
  month-long life. First, it served as a crack team which understood the
  infrastructure of the site and could resolve small issues as they arose. 
  Second, it built an insurance application, called App2, which signed up 
  new users in less than half the time of the original app. Finally, it 
  replaced the website’s crashy login system with a functional (and much 
  less expensive) one of its own design."
I know the author wants a "startup" narrative, but these aren't groundbreaking accomplishments, let alone the fact #1's silly.

  "It did most of this while living together in an unremarkable McMansion in suburban 
  Maryland."
I don't understand why this matters.

  "So the team that started by performing bug fixes on a sprawling, struggling mass 
  of code ended by writing critical, efficient infrastructure for the government. 
  Yet what the MPL team accomplished philosophically may be even more important: 
  It helped teach government bureaucrats how to think about building websites in 2015."
The author tried too hard to overlay a ScrappyStartup™ narrative. This argument is absurd.

edit: stephengillie called it in his "submarine" comment below (see: http://www.paulgraham.com/submarine.html)

Re: How a team of young people helped rebuild healthcare.gov

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post #3

ugh. Youth worship again. fuck these people.

Not just youth worship, youth genius worship.

Having been subjected to the government's definition of "agile" before[1], I can tell you that nearly everyone who was at least barely competent technically[2] thought the processes were asinine. The problem is that nobody could convince the government customers and non-technical management of this. The government in particular was bad, as their reps (GS and contractor) often came in with a dictatorial, know-it-all attitude about the problems they were hiring us to solve.

This team managed to do what they did because they were outsiders brought in specifically to fix a high-profile fuck-up. I'm willing to bet that most of what they did was suggested at some point by people who worked on the broken system, but it was shot down. The success of the second effort was primarily political.

[1] The Gantt chart bit brought back memories that made me want to throw things.

[2] Despite stereotypes to the contrary, most developers and engineers working at government contractors are at least barely competent. Contractors with mature engineering orgs (Raytheon, Boeing, Lockheed, etc) are better as they tend to force the fuck-ups out pretty quickly.

Re: How a team of young people helped rebuild healthcare.gov

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"Fixing" government web has nothing to do with young people. I contracted for 5 years for the Department of Defense doing full stack web. Yes, most people I worked with were double my age or more, but many of them are very talented and eager to implement new technology.

The problem is the massive, unbelievable amount of red tape to get things done. Software stacks and browsers have to get approval and re-approvals, a years-long process. Code has to be written in something stable, not something trendy. The programmers spend more time writing documents and attending meetings than coding. There are meetings about meetings and the layers of management are infinitely recursive (managers for the managers).

Start-up culture and tech trends just don't work at the scale of government, for much the same reasons massive corporations move glacially. Just add even more layers of management, congress, civil service employees that cannot be fired, and tax dollars to the mix.

I enjoyed my time working in government web, but "youth" isn't really an answer.

Re: How a team of young people helped rebuild healthcare.gov

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post #5

"Fixing" government web has nothing to do with young people. I contracted for 5 years for the Department of Defense doing full stack web. Yes, most people I worked with were double my age or more, but many of them are very talented and eager to implement new technology. The problem is the massive, unbelievable amount of red tape to get things done. Software stacks and browsers have to get approval and re-approvals, a…

Speaking as an old, I think youth is part of the answer. One of the things I have to really work at as I get older is unlearning the things that used to be true. Given the pace of technological change, younger people have an advantage in that they have less to unlearn.

> Start-up culture and tech trends just don't work at the scale of government, for much the same reasons massive corporations move glacially.

This is good example of an old truth that needs some unlearning. Old corporations move glacially. Some new ones work differently, though.

Government can also work differently. The folks at 18F and the US Digital Service are demonstrating that in ways both large and small. Indeed, when I was looking at a USDS job, a White House advisor told me plainly that agile, iterative approaches were clearly better for government because they were much more effective at risk reduction than producing piles of documents ever could be.

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