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I.R.S. Cracks Down on Hedge Fund Tax Strategy

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In my opinion this is a much better article on the subject.

http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-07-21/renaissanc...

Essentially the US has a few different taxes you can pay as an investor. There is a short term tax on trading profits and a longer term holder tax for "investors" which is lower.

This obviously creates a situation where people will do their best to make their trading fall into the later category.

What Deutsche did was to sell hedge funds an option on a basket(collection) of stocks that was held longer than a year. Not surprisingly, a year is long enough to qualify for hte lower long term investment tax on capital gains.

The IRS has called shenanigans on this and the below quote is probably the biggest reason why:

> "Illustrating how rapidly the contents of the “baskets” were shuffled, one option reviewed by the committee had more than 129 million underlying trades in a single year, the subcommittee said. Many of Renaissance’s stock investments lasted mere minutes or seconds, it said."

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  U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 9:
  No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed.
How does that square with the article's

"The new I.R.S. guidance will be retroactive, applying to all transactions as far back as Jan. 1, 2011."

?

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post #3

U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 9: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed. How does that square with the article's "The new I.R.S. guidance will be retroactive, applying to all transactions as far back as Jan. 1, 2011." ?

Well, in this case the IRS isn't passing a retroactive law, they are clarifying the interpretation of an existing law.

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post #3

U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 9: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed. How does that square with the article's "The new I.R.S. guidance will be retroactive, applying to all transactions as far back as Jan. 1, 2011." ?

My guess would be that because this is "guidance" rather than a law or "bill" then this is not ex post facto application.

In other words, the law is and aways has been that one should pay the appropriate taxes. OTOH, guidance informs the IRS how to interpret market activity in the past and classify it as legal or illegal.

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post #3

U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 9: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed. How does that square with the article's "The new I.R.S. guidance will be retroactive, applying to all transactions as far back as Jan. 1, 2011." ?

Well, in this case the IRS isn't passing a retroactive law, they are clarifying the interpretation of an existing law.

The need to clarify the point implies that it was interpreted differently in the past. So this change in interpretation being applied retroactively is what the OP is concerned with.

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U.S. Constitution, Article I, Section 9: No Bill of Attainder or ex post facto Law shall be passed. How does that square with the article's "The new I.R.S. guidance will be retroactive, applying to all transactions as far back as Jan. 1, 2011." ?

Ex post facto laws are criminal laws making criminal acts that were not criminal before the law was passed, or increasing the criminal punishment for crimes committed before the law was passed.

Retroactive tax laws are not ex post facto laws, and, anyway, this isn't even a retroactive tax law, its a decision about the manner in which the IRS will apply a law already on the books, which is only sustainable to the extent to which it is, in fact, consistent with the law already on the books. Its essentially the IRS coming to the view that they have not been properly enforcing existing law, and that will change for enforcement going forward (there are limits to how far back the IRS can go in enforcement actions, which presumably is the basis for the 1/1/2011 date.)

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In my opinion this is a much better article on the subject. http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2014-07-21/renaissanc... Essentially the US has a few different taxes you can pay as an investor. There is a short term tax on trading profits and a longer term holder tax for "investors" which is lower. This obviously creates a situation where people will do their best to make their trading fall into the later category…

The rules are deeply arbitrary, and goes to the nature of financials as being rather abstract concepts with arbitrary definitions.

I buy stock in a firm, that firm makes a lot of profit, but I don't liquidate my position. How is that different (short-term vs long-term gains) from me selling their stock and buying another stock?

It's even the same word: A retail business sells its stock (product), and sells it's stock (shares)

Ultimately, taxing "realized" gains can never be logical, since "realization" is a fictional concept not grounded in reality. Taxing consumption is relatively straighforward to describe (but hard to implement), and taxing wealth is slightly harder (since it's hard to mark the value of some assets)

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