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Did you buy that latte 2 hours ago? Think about leaving the coffee shop

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Re: Did you buy that latte 2 hours ago? Think about leaving the coffee shop

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I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of people here do this. I do this as well. Most of the time, I'm not asked to leave, but other times, if I feel guilty, I buy something else, like another coffee or a sweet. I suppose I'd willing to "rent" space if it were available. A funny relevant anecdote. Yesterday, I was at home trying to work, and I could not focus, so I walked to a nearby coffeeshop. Apparently,…

Loved the photo's caption of the "laptop brigade", lol.

If there's a point where a significant portion of a community become knowledge workers, then it would be advantageous for local coffee shops to adapt to a co-working atmosphere. It wouldn't surprise me if a chain such as Starbucks did something like this in the future.

When I was working remotely and in-between jobs, I regularly squatted and rotated through coffee shops in town. What sucked about this though was several things: buying food/coffee out of guilt because it seemed like the right thing to do, constantly packing-up and unpacking your gear when going to the restroom, holding your bladder in as long as possible because it's an annoying and expensive context-switch to tend to one's biological functions, and uncomfortable seating which isn't meant for prolonged use.

Coffee shops in college towns will mostly be immune to this because it's simply how students live and work. Au Coquelet and People's Coffee in Berkeley come to mind. Talk about laptop brigades! The Berkeley Public Library wasn't so bad either, and they had free Wifi.

Nowadays, co-working spaces seem to be popping up everywhere now. Even where I'm at now in Lancaster, PA, which isn't exactly a tech hotbed, there are already 3 co-working spaces. I'm at the point now where coffee shop squatting is just too much of a hassle and would rather pay to have a quiet working environment that forces productivity, provides a solid Internet connection, offers decent amenities, and offers controlled access so I don't have to worry about getting my laptop stolen when stepping away from the desk.

Re: Did you buy that latte 2 hours ago? Think about leaving the coffee shop

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post #61

I wouldn't be surprised if a significant number of people here do this. I do this as well. Most of the time, I'm not asked to leave, but other times, if I feel guilty, I buy something else, like another coffee or a sweet. I suppose I'd willing to "rent" space if it were available. A funny relevant anecdote. Yesterday, I was at home trying to work, and I could not focus, so I walked to a nearby coffeeshop. Apparently,…

Loved the photo's caption of the "laptop brigade", lol. If there's a point where a significant portion of a community become knowledge workers, then it would be advantageous for local coffee shops to adapt to a co-working atmosphere. It wouldn't surprise me if a chain such as Starbucks did something like this in the future. When I was working remotely and in-between jobs, I regularly squatted and rotated through coff…

> I'm at the point now where coffee shop squatting is just too much of a hassle and would rather pay to have a quiet working environment

What is pricing like?

Re: Did you buy that latte 2 hours ago? Think about leaving the coffee shop

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I would be a happy customer if coffee shops sold their most popular product directly: time @ the coffee shop. I guess the businesses would be happier too.

One should figure out a more efficient way of handling short term leases than that coffee mug that proxies as something that is almost but not quite totally unlike a lease agreement.

Take my credit card and charge me on how much time I have been there, hand out blinking timers...whatever works.

Re: Did you buy that latte 2 hours ago? Think about leaving the coffee shop

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What is this "expresso" you talk about?

Sorry, espresso. People correct me about this all the time. It's such an ingrained habit I don't know if I'll ever be able to pronounce/type that word properly.

Expresso is often how it is pronounced in India and when they do that they often really mean a cappuccino.

Re: Did you buy that latte 2 hours ago? Think about leaving the coffee shop

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post #63

I would be a happy customer if coffee shops sold their most popular product directly: time @ the coffee shop. I guess the businesses would be happier too. One should figure out a more efficient way of handling short term leases than that coffee mug that proxies as something that is almost but not quite totally unlike a lease agreement. Take my credit card and charge me on how much time I have been there, hand out bli…

I love working in cafes and have done it a ton. Every so often someone tries a radical variation on the basic model, but it almost always feels awkward and doesn't last long. One that I was surprised to see actually work, though, is the Workshop Cafe in SF's financial district. Their model is much what you described. It's a cross between a huge café and a big office, which ought to be terrible, but manages not to be. The coffee is good and the internet is very good. And it's often pretty busy, so I guess people are using it as intended.

Re: Did you buy that latte 2 hours ago? Think about leaving the coffee shop

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post #59

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As well as good wifi, some renovations, and better decor[0]. [0] At least in my experience. I'm not sure what it is about coffeeshops. Their decor is just conducive to working, much more than the local library, at least.

Yes! Imagine if your local library was furnished more like an old book store; with decadent yet comfortable furniture and more soft lighting that is just slightly more yellow than the bright white they use. All the libraries I have been to (admittedly not many, these days) all look like hospitals.

All libraries should aspire to be more like Seattle Central Library. Good coffee, amazing architecture, fast wifi. Oh, and lots of books if you're into reading or whatever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Central_Library

Re: Did you buy that latte 2 hours ago? Think about leaving the coffee shop

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post #59

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Yes! Imagine if your local library was furnished more like an old book store; with decadent yet comfortable furniture and more soft lighting that is just slightly more yellow than the bright white they use. All the libraries I have been to (admittedly not many, these days) all look like hospitals.

All libraries should aspire to be more like Seattle Central Library. Good coffee, amazing architecture, fast wifi. Oh, and lots of books if you're into reading or whatever. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Seattle_Central_Library

I can't help but feel I am living in the future with such buildings existing like that. It looks like a space ship!

Sadly though many libraries, especially rural and regional ones just can't afford that.

Re: Did you buy that latte 2 hours ago? Think about leaving the coffee shop

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There was a coffee shop I used to frequent that used a captive portal for wifi, and the only way to get past it was to enter a 90 minute passcode from the bottom of your purchase receipt. So if I came in there at night after work I considered it basically paying for internet, and getting a free coffee or pastry alongside it. Seemed perfectly fair. I also find it amusing that Starbucks gives you free refills on brewed…

Btw, green status gets you the free refills (5 store visits).

Re: Did you buy that latte 2 hours ago? Think about leaving the coffee shop

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I think the thing here is that technology in the form of headphones, portable devices, telework, etc. Allow people to share the conviviality of shared spaces but without giving back because they can isolate themselves --as they are wont to in their shared floorspaces at work.

So not interacting with someone else and just being immersed in oneself is okay because they are not aware of their surrounds except for when they glance up.

Before gadgets, you'd have to bring friends with you or meet friends (who would also buy things). But now you can buy some nominal item and excuse yourself for as long a you wish --at least in mind. And some people feel entitled to the space. The Starbucks of the world can carry that deadweight, but not so much independent shops.

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