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Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by elithrar » Thu, Jul 09, 2015, 3:52 AM UTC

MichaelCrawford wrote: post #74

pki wrote: post #68

Earlier quoted context omitted.

it is generally up to you, you can inline them (MIME/base64? in the message) or remotely serve. it'll usually serve remote http pixels for "open tracking" either way though

That's my whole point. I regard such tracking pixels as morally reprehensible. While I know most of my subscribers will disable remote images anyway, quite likely they would think poorly of me for serving them. All the stuff I read about email marketing is all about all the kewel things one can do with email bugs.

> quite likely they would think poorly of me for serving them.

Mandrill sets open tracking to 'off' by default[1] and no doubt Sendgrid, et. al make it optional as well. Same goes for link tracking.

(I use Mandrill for emailing dev-related stuff and was also sensitive about this given the demographic/privacy)

https://mandrill.zendesk.com/hc/en-us/articles/205582907-How...

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by loupgarou21 » Thu, Jul 09, 2015, 4:07 AM UTC

I never had an issue with gmail blocking my mail server, but I was getting flagged as spam by AOL every sixish month because my server wasn't sending them enough mail... The company I work for resells an antispam solution with outbound filtering, so I just relay through that now

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by stonogo » Thu, Jul 09, 2015, 4:20 AM UTC

brobinson wrote: post #76

massaman_yams wrote: post #58

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These days, there are only a handful of IP-based blacklists where a listing result in more than low single-digit impact to your delivery rate; moreover, among industry insiders, Gmail isn't known to use any public IP-based blacklist for deliverability.

>Gmail isn't known to use any public IP-based blacklist for deliverability Good to know! I bet they have their own internal ranking system which is far more accurate than the public blacklists.

I'm curious to know why you think they'd be any more accurate than public blacklists. About a fifth of the spam that hits my domains originates from gmail servers, and the majority of people I know complain (when asked) about gmail's tendency to spam-bin legit mail.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by MichaelCrawford » Thu, Jul 09, 2015, 4:32 AM UTC

grkvlt wrote: post #79

MichaelCrawford wrote: post #74

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That's my whole point. I regard such tracking pixels as morally reprehensible. While I know most of my subscribers will disable remote images anyway, quite likely they would think poorly of me for serving them. All the stuff I read about email marketing is all about all the kewel things one can do with email bugs.

You regard finding out whether someone you have sent a marketing email to actually opened that message as 'morally reprehensible' somehow? I know that blanket surveillance and government intrusion is a bad thing, to be minimised, but I'm not sure that also makes recipient tracking for one's own marketing purposes evil. If done right, cookies, email bugs and similar technologies are benign, or even beneficial to the r…

I'm cool with some discovering that I read their eMail.

I am not cool with them discovering I read their eMail while receiving pleasure in a hoyse of ill repute.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by MichaelCrawford » Thu, Jul 09, 2015, 4:35 AM UTC

voltagex_ wrote: post #41

MichaelCrawford wrote: post #12

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My own cousin blackholed my gmail because gmail sends so mych spam. I had to ask him to configure an exception just for me. If you dont want to receive spam use lafn.org. I dont know how one gets an account there but I expect it doesnt cost anything. If you want a full VPS use http://prgmr.com/ - "we dont assume you are stupid.". Its a hosting service operated by neckbeards for the benefit of their fellow neckbeards.…

I would like to use prgmr.com because I appreciate the no-nonsense way they seem to do business but (especially with the now-worthless Australian Dollar) they're so much more expensive than DigitalOcean.

offer to barter something as I and kbar did. They have a really good wiki maybe you can get service in return for writing a HOWTO.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by brobinson » Thu, Jul 09, 2015, 4:40 AM UTC

stonogo wrote: post #83

brobinson wrote: post #76

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>Gmail isn't known to use any public IP-based blacklist for deliverability Good to know! I bet they have their own internal ranking system which is far more accurate than the public blacklists.

I'm curious to know why you think they'd be any more accurate than public blacklists. About a fifth of the spam that hits my domains originates from gmail servers, and the majority of people I know complain (when asked) about gmail's tendency to spam-bin legit mail.

I would wager that Google handles a large enough cross section of all email traffic such that their internal statistics on the trustworthiness of domains/ips would rival any other blacklist system.

I've never had issues inboxing on gmail accounts using SPF/DKIM/DMARC + Sendgrid, even when sending 125,000+ emails (legit!) per day.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by hobarrera » Thu, Jul 09, 2015, 4:51 AM UTC

brobinson wrote: post #13

petercooper wrote: post #9

I send a LOT of emails each month (email newsletter business - yes, legit!) and ran into an separate but topically related and amusing problem recently. My newsletters are aimed at developers, and one issue went out and was considered by Gmail to be a 'phishing' attempt. I couldn't figure it out. Several issues later, another one was picked up the same way and I figured it out.. In both issues, one of the items was l…

It's probably specifically penalizing anything matching /https?:\/\/0/ because you can specify an IP address using hex or octal in most common browsers. hex: http://0xD83AC02E octal: http://033016540056 That's my guess, at any rate.

OT: What does the red-flower-on-the-sun doodle mean?

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by hobarrera » Thu, Jul 09, 2015, 4:53 AM UTC

pki wrote: post #68

MichaelCrawford wrote: post #59

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If I include graphics in my mail, are the graphics hosted by an http server or included in each mail?

it is generally up to you, you can inline them (MIME/base64? in the message) or remotely serve. it'll usually serve remote http pixels for "open tracking" either way though

> it'll usually serve remote http pixels for "open tracking" either way though

given how most clients/web-mails filter these by default, is this of any use? Only users which explicitly click on "show images" will get tracked, and the rest won't even show see your email properly.

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by deadbeef404 » Thu, Jul 09, 2015, 4:58 AM UTC

hobarrera wrote: post #87

brobinson wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's probably specifically penalizing anything matching /https?:\/\/0/ because you can specify an IP address using hex or octal in most common browsers. hex: http://0xD83AC02E octal: http://033016540056 That's my guess, at any rate.

OT: What does the red-flower-on-the-sun doodle mean?

Argentina National Day 2015

Edit: You can usually find out what they mean by going to https://www.google.com/doodles

Re: Why does Gmail hate my domain?

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Post by dools » Thu, Jul 09, 2015, 5:10 AM UTC

I had a problem when I sent a message to about 20 associates and used BCC. Google apps for business then just marked me as spam. I would get lots of rejected email messages. The people I sent to were all people I knew who were attending an event. Just gmail being a dick about BCC. So now I send email through sendgrid from within gmail. Have you tried using an external smtp relay? It's more likely your IP address than your domain that is flagged.