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Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#91

This is absolutely rampant in the blackhat marketing world, (where I used to dabble, but still stay up on mostly out of curiosity). The model goes like this: Watch a few different pages and try to identify something that's bubbling up - that can be different viral facebook pages, reddit, whatever... there are a few different ways, but basically you constantly ping and scrape and try to identify stuff that's going vir…

> automated-if-unethical Buzzfeed

You mean like Buzzfeed.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#92
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Ironically, at the end of the tattoo video that was pirated, Destin Sandlin, the host, is seen wearing [a shirt]( http://www.amazon.com/Stand-Going-Science-T-Shirt-Scientists... ) that is a blatant rip off of an Randall Munroe's (XKCD) [shirt]( http://store-xkcd-com.myshopify.com/products/try-science ).

So we should blame every person that watches Facebook video for not giving him a credit and not Facebook/uploader?

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#93

This seems to be shades of aggregate content farm business models. Is HuffingtonPost Comedy's recutting of cute cat videos without credit okay? How about BuzzFeed's use of stock / flickr images? What about memes -- someone took those photos once upon a time, now they don't even get a credit. How about the dumb radio station's non-original video clips circulating on FB?

No. Yes. Yes. No. :)

The meme background of e.g. not sure Fry doesn't substantially detract from the value of an episode of Futurama. The video reposts by various radio stations are exactly the same as the behavior in question.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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post #92
post #14

Ironically, at the end of the tattoo video that was pirated, Destin Sandlin, the host, is seen wearing [a shirt]( http://www.amazon.com/Stand-Going-Science-T-Shirt-Scientists... ) that is a blatant rip off of an Randall Munroe's (XKCD) [shirt]( http://store-xkcd-com.myshopify.com/products/try-science ).

So we should blame every person that watches Facebook video for not giving him a credit and not Facebook/uploader?

It's really just not about credit at this point, it's about money. Facebook has already made money... you know what the real solution is? To give they money they made out of ads to its original creator. I don't understand why this isn't happening?

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

In case anyone hasn't seen Destin's videos (smarter every day), I'd like to mention that he's an incredibly interesting and engaging person who puts out really high quality content. If you're like me, and think of the pieces of shit that run the RIAA when you hear about piracy complaints... it's worth watching Destin and his videos to see a much more sympathetic actor. (Also, his big beef seems to be facebook's incen…

I think Destin's videos and attitude toward science are pretty top notch. I just don't share all of his views on copyright.

Well, it'd be pretty demoralizing to see someone profiting* off of a bastardized copy of work I did in my free time, going out of their way to remove anything crediting me. As others have pointed out, Facebook itself stands to make actual money, too, and has incentive to turn a blind eye. I can certainly sympathize with the frustration, so why not use the law to fight back?

* Even if the profits are intangible, as in Facebook likes.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#96

A radical idea: Maybe our model of intellectual property is wrong, or outdated. When IP was tied to a physical object, it made some sense to restrict and explicitly license each reproducer. Now we have incredible machines that can reproduce intellectual property almost infinitely, distribute it anywhere on Earth, and find it almost anywhere on Earth. Wow! Maybe we should embrace that innovation, and find a model that…

The problem today is that capitalism favors the individual (or legal entity) more than it favors society. Freedom and quality of life are generally ignored if they don't impact the bottom line. It's just assumed that the free market will figure it out and everyone will benefit in the long run.

So someone like Van Gogh is a perfect example of where it all breaks down. He (admirably) wasn't very interested in wealth or material things, he just wanted to be able to make a living doing what he was passionate about, and generally failed. There are millions of people throughout history who perfected their craft but since it wasn't recognized or rewarded, their potential contributions to society went largely unrecognized and unutilitized.

Today underemployment, tragedies of the commons and uncounted externalities are so rampant in our economy that (to me at least) it seems that they actually underpin it. So many problems like hunger, reliance on fossil fuels, lack of access to technology, just on and on, are relatively simple to fix and would only require a handful of dedicated people to make it happen. But say someone has an idea for a new generator that runs on waste heat, he or she can't get funding for it. Corporate and government research grants are all but gone, banks don't lend money for that stuff, and the only places that pay (universities) have erected nearly impassibly barriers to entry.

So here we are doing the same thing we’ve always done, toiled away our lives on generally pointless enterprises to make rent, while a few dispassionate sociopaths reap the benefits. The internet is completely broken right now in the way it ties data to its source. That’s not only likely, it’s destined, to be demolished here in the next few years. Stopping piracy is a fool’s errand, propped up by rent-seeking corporations that will go to the ends of the Earth, even undermine our legal system, to maintain the status quo.

What we should really be asking is how much longer we’re willing to tolerate the smoke and mirrors rather than just solving problems on a step by step basis once and for all. If we had a non-scarcity economy that did away with IP and started using technology to meet our basic needs, we wouldn’t need copyright in the first place. The robots could tend the hydroponic gardens while the living breathing humans could work on, I dunno, little things like enlightenment.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#97
I have a friend/acquaintance who had a similar experience on YouTube itself. He had created a large number of instructional videos on his YouTube channel, and from them he was deriving a significant passive income (admittedly from the overbearing amount of ads he enabled). One day he received a takedown notice suggesting that his videos were illicit copies. His investigations led him to believe that another YouTube user had downloaded all of his videos, re-uploaded them under a different account (with even more, similarly-ripped videos) and then used the YouTube machinery to have the originals flagged. This did, indeed, appear to be the case when I checked out the other channel - there was a block of videos in this other user's history that all clearly originated on my friend's channel, even with the original author identifying himself in the voiceover.

He was unable to get YouTube to reinstate the original videos nor block the illicit new copies. After several months of shouting at the wall that is YouTube administration, he gave up and transferred his energy to creating numerous ad-laden blogs saturated also with Amazon affiliate links and embedded affiliate stores. On the one hand, it is possible that his original channel looked more like the channel of a spammer than the one that stole his videos (from my recollection of the old channel, not entirely implausible). On the other, it is possible that YouTube itself doesn't care much for its content creators outside of the few super-rich/popular/powerful users with enough influence to get their attention.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#98
Doesn't the YouTube terms require that you allow some reuse of your video as long as its on there? The same thing goes on on YouTube itself where people create channels and aregate other popular videos.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#99

A radical idea: Maybe our model of intellectual property is wrong, or outdated. When IP was tied to a physical object, it made some sense to restrict and explicitly license each reproducer. Now we have incredible machines that can reproduce intellectual property almost infinitely, distribute it anywhere on Earth, and find it almost anywhere on Earth. Wow! Maybe we should embrace that innovation, and find a model that…

"Yes, motivating creators is a problem, but there are many possible solutions." Could you outline couple of them? Let's say I want to publish an ebook. What model would ensure that I can pay my rent (similar levels of revenue to current model like Amazon Kindle publishing) while allowing free sharing of my content?

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#100

This is absolutely rampant in the blackhat marketing world, (where I used to dabble, but still stay up on mostly out of curiosity). The model goes like this: Watch a few different pages and try to identify something that's bubbling up - that can be different viral facebook pages, reddit, whatever... there are a few different ways, but basically you constantly ping and scrape and try to identify stuff that's going vir…

> automated-if-unethical Buzzfeed You mean like Buzzfeed.

:) Buzzfeed at least adds a little original content and tries to make sure they're taking stuff they legally can.
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