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Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

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But is it Facebook or the magazine that ripped and modified the video the one at fault? Issue a DMCA to Facebook and sue the magazine for copyright infringement. And next time post it yourself.

They're both at fault, to varying degrees, explicitly or implicitly.

Destin mentions in his "intro to freebooting" video his various attempts to contact Facebook regarding the piracy, and that it was only removed after a Twitter campaign led by his viewers: https://youtu.be/L6A1Lt0kvMA?t=3m49s

I don't know much, or have any experience with DMCA, but it's my impression that if there's a copyright violation on Youtube, the video can be taken down very quickly, and the burden of proof is then placed on the uploader to get it back up.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#52
A radical idea: Maybe our model of intellectual property is wrong, or outdated. When IP was tied to a physical object, it made some sense to restrict and explicitly license each reproducer.

Now we have incredible machines that can reproduce intellectual property almost infinitely, distribute it anywhere on Earth, and find it almost anywhere on Earth. Wow! Maybe we should embrace that innovation, and find a model that encourages the spread, use and re-use of IP, for the betterment of society. Yes, motivating creators is a problem, but there are many possible solutions.

Another radical thought: The notion of IP created from whole cloth obviously was always a fallacy; we all "stand on the shoulders of giants", "good artists borrow, great artists steal", etc. Now that our IP machines make finding, copying, and distributing IP so easy, we can expect even more of that wonderful, creative larceny. As IP creators are benefitting from these amazing IP finding/copying/distributing systems and so much of their own product is stolen, perhaps they have less claim on the profits from those things they put their names on.

A third: Many creative people are motivated to do great things withhout payment. Remember, all those FOSS creators, from RMS to Linus Torvalds to Tim Berners-Lee to every little FOSS project on Github. Remember also Van Gogh and millions of other starving artists you have and haven't heard of (quick, name a poet who cashed in on their life's work). Perhaps financial renumeration, while fair, isn't entirely necessary (and perhaps we'd have less crap with less of it).

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#53
post #40
post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Probably not directly at the moment, but they could do something similar to what the people who are ripping them off are doing: create a FB page for exposure, and hope that exposure turns into views on their YouTube channel.

But why should I go watch the video on YouTube when I just watched it on Facebook? Even better, the Facebook video doesn't have ads.

The classic pirate answer is that after you torrent an album to try it out, you go buy a copy to support the artist. So after you watch the Facebook video, you'd go watch it again on YouTube to support the creator.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#54

A radical idea: Maybe our model of intellectual property is wrong, or outdated. When IP was tied to a physical object, it made some sense to restrict and explicitly license each reproducer. Now we have incredible machines that can reproduce intellectual property almost infinitely, distribute it anywhere on Earth, and find it almost anywhere on Earth. Wow! Maybe we should embrace that innovation, and find a model that…

> When IP was tied to a physical object

Intellectual personal property, like intangible personal property more generally, is, by nature, not generally tied to a physical object.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#55

I don't understand how this is "Facebook's" piracy problem. It sounds like the British newspaper's piracy problem.

If the tooling isn't there for reporting. Youtube, for example, has worked really hard with Content ID to be able to automatically report and repoint infringing content.

This may be the first post in the history of HN that isn't completely negative about content ID.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#57

This is super interesting - it seems like facebook's more likely to get away with it too because the people being ripped off are smaller independent YouTube Channels. It seems like YouTube's main incentive to build out copyright infringement tools was all of the record labels that had songs being uploaded and re-uploaded on the platform. I can see YouTube getting really aggressive in fighting FB on this legally, beca…

YouTube will have a hard time fighting this directly, since they don't own the content. Much like craigslist couldn't directly go after 3taps for copying, but only the scraping. And in this case, Facebook isn't doing the scraping.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#58
post #14

Ironically, at the end of the tattoo video that was pirated, Destin Sandlin, the host, is seen wearing [a shirt]( http://www.amazon.com/Stand-Going-Science-T-Shirt-Scientists... ) that is a blatant rip off of an Randall Munroe's (XKCD) [shirt]( http://store-xkcd-com.myshopify.com/products/try-science ).

Only the words are the same, and while I can't be sure, I feel like I've heard that phrase way before Munroe popularized it around 2008.

Re: Facebook’s Piracy Problem

#60

This is super interesting - it seems like facebook's more likely to get away with it too because the people being ripped off are smaller independent YouTube Channels. It seems like YouTube's main incentive to build out copyright infringement tools was all of the record labels that had songs being uploaded and re-uploaded on the platform. I can see YouTube getting really aggressive in fighting FB on this legally, beca…

This is a temporary problem, probably.Youtube has a much bigger problem on their hands - once facebook starts to sell ads on videos and share profits, with them behind the main distribution channel for video, most content authors will post content there.
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