How refreshing it would be if everyone was utterly sincere to each other.
How technology could kill the art of lying
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Re: How technology could kill the art of lying
#22So the article talks about how technology is making it harder to lie which I think in some ways it's true but in others it's making it easier to bend the truth and sometimes it even makes it easier to lie. For instance many of the folks that are against vaccinations will regularly quote "studies" that are published in "journals" that are all made up to sell someone a book or some natural remedies. Even worse is all o…
I think one of the pressing necessities for the future is a way to categorize the "quality of science". This is seriously lacking at the moment.
Re: How technology could kill the art of lying
#23I can't wait for this to happen. I cannot stand lying, and it's my belief that a good majority of issues people face in their lives come down to lying or deceit (lying by omission). How refreshing it would be if everyone was utterly sincere to each other.
Re: How technology could kill the art of lying
#24Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess I don't understand the argument's construction then. Lying could almost, literally be defined as: 'the ability to stroke the political and emotional biases of people through distortion and disinformation in self-serving echo chambers'. The OP is claiming that eliminating lying actually increases the occurrence of distortion and disinformation (through an undisclosed mechanism). To me, this would seem to be co…
At an abstract level: If one can technically verify level of belief , then one can both insist upon it in coercive capacities (the NSA does not want any employee who has any doubts about its holy mission), and tune arguments for it in non-coercive capacities (The breakfast cereal marketing department's learning algorithms will be able to test jingles against a fully verifiable 100% accurate human model). Blowing thin…
On a tangent, I find this idea fascinating. What would produce an egalitarian botnet host? A Xen instance that spawns a bunch of WinXP VMs each networked such that they can only be reached by a random /16 CIDR block?
Re: How technology could kill the art of lying
#25I can't wait for this to happen. I cannot stand lying, and it's my belief that a good majority of issues people face in their lives come down to lying or deceit (lying by omission). How refreshing it would be if everyone was utterly sincere to each other.
IMO, never going to happen, at least not 100%. If I believe in something that is not true, and my belief in that belief is true and sincere, am I lying?
Re: How technology could kill the art of lying
#26Earlier quoted context omitted.
I guess I don't understand the argument's construction then. Lying could almost, literally be defined as: 'the ability to stroke the political and emotional biases of people through distortion and disinformation in self-serving echo chambers'. The OP is claiming that eliminating lying actually increases the occurrence of distortion and disinformation (through an undisclosed mechanism). To me, this would seem to be co…
At an abstract level: If one can technically verify level of belief , then one can both insist upon it in coercive capacities (the NSA does not want any employee who has any doubts about its holy mission), and tune arguments for it in non-coercive capacities (The breakfast cereal marketing department's learning algorithms will be able to test jingles against a fully verifiable 100% accurate human model). Blowing thin…
>If one can technically verify level of belief
I'll just let that one hang there for a second.
Yes, if one can do that -- and I'm not sure there is any reason to believe that it is even possible to achieve, in an absolute/practical meaning of 'technical' [I'll just add, that I believe that people may believe any number of impossibilities and attempt to act in accordance with those beliefs] --, then all manner of horrors may be possible.
To your point about the article:
Does the NSA do anything special? Anything that others could not achieve (in, the 'technical' sense)?
Re: How technology could kill the art of lying
#27I can't wait for this to happen. I cannot stand lying, and it's my belief that a good majority of issues people face in their lives come down to lying or deceit (lying by omission). How refreshing it would be if everyone was utterly sincere to each other.
IMO, never going to happen, at least not 100%. If I believe in something that is not true, and my belief in that belief is true and sincere, am I lying?
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#28Earlier quoted context omitted.
I think that's the point. Without lying, political and social structures of humans break down. Lying is literally what enables us to work and live together. Even something as simple as telling a friend or coworker that that thing they do isn't that annoying counts as lying.
> Lying is literally what enables us to work and live together. That's actually a pretty tough indictment of human nature, if true.
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#29The whole reason you gave your friends access to your fitness tracker data was so they could help motivate you. That's not a betrayal. Additionally, the Pennsylvania suspect voluntarily gave her username and password to the police, without which they would not have had access to intra-day historical data.