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Re: United Airlines System-Wide Computer Problem

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United is a mess. I had the misfortune of flying with them a couple months ago. I ended up in a city a 2 hour drive from my actual destination and had to rent a car on my own to get to where I was going. That was the worst of it, but almost every flight I saw on the way (both ones I was on and other flights at nearby gates) was delayed or overbooked or otherwise messed up in some way.

If I ever listened to horror stories like these, there wouldn't be an airline left I would fly with. This is textbook; replace United with Delta, Southwest, Air Canada, etc., at will. The only company I've used that I haven't heard exactly this type of complaint about is Widerøe, a tiny regional line in Norway with a fleet of prop planes. This is unfortunate, as I live in Pennsylvania and get motion sickness on those…

I've been flying 1-2 times a month for the past year or so, mostly on US Air or American (same thing now) and I never saw anything approaching the level of problems United had on one trip.

Obviously, with travel sometimes things go wrong, but the quantity and severity of things going wrong at United makes me think there's something off about the way they're running their airline. For instance, the two times this year that they've had to ground all flights.

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Off-topic: Please use ISO 8601 format(YYYY-MM-DD) for dates in titles. The US date format hurts my poor logical soul. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/ISO_8601

Its sad that this is the top comment. When I visit European sites I don't demand they change things just for me. Maybe be more of a gracious visitor?

Re: United Airlines System-Wide Computer Problem

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Was there a storm or something? Usually there is some motivating reason why flights are screwed up.

Not that I know of. My particular flight was delayed because they had to replace a piece of the navigation equipment on the plane. This delay caused me to miss a connecting flight and that's how I ended up in an entirely different city.

This happens with every airline. No airline has magical planes that never break and they all have similar maintenance schedules on the exact same planes running the exact same workload. Blame Boeing for making a crappy plane if they keep breaking down.

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Planes with pilots in them are mostly autonomous and can avoid each other as well as the ground. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ground_proximity_warning_syste... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Traffic_Collision_Avoidance_Sy... https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/%C3%9Cberlingen_mid-air_collis...

Yes, mostly. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Vitaly_Kaloyev

I wouldn't get on a Russia autonomous flight for a million dollars. Between the corruption, hackey engineering, and complete disregard for safety standards, Russian accidents surprise no one. The Tu-154 accident list is long and scary. Hell, look at all the fires that broke out.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Tupolev_Tu-154#Incidents_and_a...

Re: United Airlines System-Wide Computer Problem

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United is a mess. I had the misfortune of flying with them a couple months ago. I ended up in a city a 2 hour drive from my actual destination and had to rent a car on my own to get to where I was going. That was the worst of it, but almost every flight I saw on the way (both ones I was on and other flights at nearby gates) was delayed or overbooked or otherwise messed up in some way.

If I ever listened to horror stories like these, there wouldn't be an airline left I would fly with. This is textbook; replace United with Delta, Southwest, Air Canada, etc., at will. The only company I've used that I haven't heard exactly this type of complaint about is Widerøe, a tiny regional line in Norway with a fleet of prop planes. This is unfortunate, as I live in Pennsylvania and get motion sickness on those…

Overall JetBlue and Virgin have been great. AA and US Air have been good. United is the worst.

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I have a nagging (intuition? feeling?) that software safety/reliability/security needs are going to explode soon (because unreliabilities multiply in non-resilient systems interacting with each other) and that these are simply foreshocks. (yeah, I know security is already a huge deal, but as we come to trust software systems more and more, the safety/reliability factor will come more into play) EDIT: This is also par…

Schuberg Philis (https://www.schubergphilis.com/) in the Netherlands has been selling 100% functional up-time for a while now. They've set their entire business model and management structure up to support this.

Doesn't come cheap though.

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They're running SHARES internally; most everything else is specific applications with hooks into shares for data processing and return.

Lol HP system. I used to work for SABRE, its far more dependable despite its antiquity. HP is a marginal player in this market which is dominated by SABRE and Amadeus.

Were they a good employer? Sane codebase?
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