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Eric Schmidt: "If you have something [to hide], maybe you shouldn't be doing it"

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Re: Eric Schmidt: "If you have something [to hide], maybe you shouldn't be doing it"

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post #84

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How would a search engine that doesn't look at your search string work?

Of course it needs your query string, but it could run your search and then forget about it. Arguably Google was better when it didn't take your history into account when calculating the results.

You certainly could argue that, however, if it were true in most cases Google, a highly data-driven company, would be still be working that way.

Re: Eric Schmidt: "If you have something [to hide], maybe you shouldn't be doing it"

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post #132

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Retaining my data makes it easier for Google to give me good results in the future. The problem is not that Google stores your data. The problem is that disclosing that data has social and legal consequences. Why shoot the messenger?

I think they should allow us to opt out of retaining our data.

You could just not give them your data in the first place.

I am not worried about search / email / etc., though, I am worried about Analytics. I would like to be able to globally disable it. (NoScript solves this problem, but Analytics should be opt-in, not opt-out-by-blocking-Javascript.)

Re: Eric Schmidt: "If you have something [to hide], maybe you shouldn't be doing it"

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But it's worse than that, tc. Why do they keep the information for so long? Because they are required? No. They monetize it. Sooooo, in the future there will come great pressure to increase the value of Google stock. Not today, perhaps, but some day. When that day comes, insurance companies are going to say, "We'll make it worth your while if you tell us who is googling for 'breast cancer;' 'diabetes;' 'melanoma.'" A…

Storing search queries genuinely helps improve Google's search results. It's not inherently evil. And I don't buy your slippery slope argument. Sure, Google could sell your search patterns. And your ISP could sell your browsing habits. And ask.com's AskEraser feature could all be a lie and it too could be selling your queries... Ultimately if you don't trust Google with your search queries, then you should take Schmi…

Ultimately if you don't trust Google with your search queries, then you should take Schmidt's advice and not query anything embarrassing.

Or take my advice, sidle up to an open WiFi network (or if you are really nefarious, crack a "secure" one--bet that won't get logged), load up a flash-based Linux distro with no means of storing anything permanently, and query till your heart's content. If that's more privacy than you need, how about Private Browsing mode, which is in every major browser now (except IE? dunno.)

Sheesh!--the hue and cry over Google and privacy completely overlooks the fact that the Internet is the most anonymous means of exchanging information ever created. Yes, unfortunately legal and profit motives mean your online activities are, to some extent, recorded. But breaking the link between "you" and what you do online is trivial, and the more your privacy matters to you, the more thoroughly can you achieve that separation.

Re: Eric Schmidt: "If you have something [to hide], maybe you shouldn't be doing it"

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post #71

hey, guys, chill out. He's not saying that you shouldn't do anything you don't want the public to know or anything like that. Google is actually protecting your privacy from the public. Your search history is not available to anyone except for the law-enforcement with a subpoena. He is only saying that under some circumstances Google has to release some information according to the current law. And if you don't want…

On a related note, if you plan to murder someone, you should not post an HN comment suggesting what not to google for when planning a murder.

Re: Eric Schmidt: "If you have something [to hide], maybe you shouldn't be doing it"

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post #51

I'd like Eric Schmidt to publicly release his search history, both his work-related and private searches.

What if his statement was not intended as a moral imperative, but as practical advice? Perhaps he is saying, "The fact of the matter is that we're required to retain and release lots of information. If you don't want that information being passed around, you probably shouldn't give it to us. Sorry, we do the best we can under the circumstances." "If you have something that you don't want anyone to know, maybe you sho…

It's not like this is a problem specific to Google. Credit cards, for instance, are very convenient but also easily traced if you are up to no good. Nobody thinks the credit card companies should protect your anonymity -- if you're buying something you shouldn't, don't use a credit card.

Re: Eric Schmidt: "If you have something [to hide], maybe you shouldn't be doing it"

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post #138

I think it's a very fair and reasonable advice. You don't have to use Google. This is the service Google offers. Your privacy is your payment. It's a great opportunity for someone to start a competing search service that focuses on privacy.

Cuil's shtick is that they don't store any search history http://www.cuil.com/

Re: Eric Schmidt: "If you have something [to hide], maybe you shouldn't be doing it"

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It could also, of course, be simple uncritical rationalization. If staying in business and out of the cross-hairs of the DoJ's anti-trust division means you have to play ball with some data retention "requests," then you're probably going to rationalize a million tenuously logical reasons why that's the right thing to do.

To be fair, you don't have a lot of choice in deciding whether or not to comply with a National Security Letter. I think "because I'm not going to go to jail for our users" is a perfectly logical reason.

You can also say to your users - we have a problem with this legislation we are moving our servers to Iceland/Bermuda/Switzerland.

When the government sees it hitting their tax take they will listen

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