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How Can There Still Be a Sex Difference, Even When There Is No Sex Difference?

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Re: How Can There Still Be a Sex Difference, Even When There Is No Sex Difference?

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Why are you trying to lecture a troll? To put it another way: m8, u 8 the b8

Oh it's not really for them . See, if you don't state the obvious that such people are disgusting little twerps it gets brought up as an example of the things evil tech industry people really think but won't say.

You know people can joke without believing in the stuff the joke is about, right? If someone thinks that the jokes people tell are their believes ... that tells bad stuff about them, not about the jokers.

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Is it generally accepted in the relevant scientific communities that male IQ's exhibit more variance than female IQ's? I imagine this type of thing would be easy to verify via e.g. standardized test scores.

It seems to be a meme without a lot of evidence attached. However, the one paper I did find appears to refute it:

http://www.pnas.org/content/106/22/8801.long

I think that some ideas gain traction because they fit well into people's narrative, even when the evidence is not yet strong enough for real trust in them.

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Is it generally accepted in the relevant scientific communities that male IQ's exhibit more variance than female IQ's? I imagine this type of thing would be easy to verify via e.g. standardized test scores.

Some answers here: http://skeptics.stackexchange.com/questions/7093/do-men-show...

Intuitively it made much sense for me when I was in high school and trying to figure out the world.

People perceive high, even extreme intelligence as some beneficial trait, but I don't think that's how we should look at things. Evolution does not care about men as much as it does about women. Man can be far from being best fit for raising children and still forward his genes to next generation. Women need to be much more optimized, stable. Too high or too low intelligence is a neurological flaw in men that makes them worse parents from evolutionary perspective but they can get away with it. Women can't.

It might change after many generations of society that takes care of children of deranged or disinterested mothers. Having extra copy of X chromosome sure does help with stability but there are many examples in biology where simple obvious mechanism are overruled by special contraptions forced by evolution to result in the opposite of what simple logic would dictate.

Re: How Can There Still Be a Sex Difference, Even When There Is No Sex Difference?

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Is it generally accepted in the relevant scientific communities that male IQ's exhibit more variance than female IQ's? I imagine this type of thing would be easy to verify via e.g. standardized test scores.

I think so. I've heard (and repeated) it many times, and I don't recall ever hearing it disputed. I'd be surprised and embarrassed if it was untrue.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sex_differences_in_intelligenc... says it's controversial near the top. But the citation is a single paper which disagrees, and the rest of the article seems to support the hypothesis.

edit: removed "unpublished"

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Oh it's not really for them . See, if you don't state the obvious that such people are disgusting little twerps it gets brought up as an example of the things evil tech industry people really think but won't say.

You know people can joke without believing in the stuff the joke is about, right? If someone thinks that the jokes people tell are their believes ... that tells bad stuff about them, not about the jokers.

HN downvotes jokes, even jokes that are funny, and I prefer it that way.

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post #15

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You know people can joke without believing in the stuff the joke is about, right? If someone thinks that the jokes people tell are their believes ... that tells bad stuff about them, not about the jokers.

HN downvotes jokes, even jokes that are funny, and I prefer it that way.

Ironically also a great way to perpetuate the nerd stereotypes :)

Re: How Can There Still Be a Sex Difference, Even When There Is No Sex Difference?

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Is it generally accepted in the relevant scientific communities that male IQ's exhibit more variance than female IQ's? I imagine this type of thing would be easy to verify via e.g. standardized test scores.

Yes, it is generally accepted. But people don't like it. For example it explains why there are more men in high-status positions, which again, people don't like, and try to rail against ("We need more women in XYZ!").

For an even more "untouchable" subject try: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

Re: How Can There Still Be a Sex Difference, Even When There Is No Sex Difference?

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I remember a famous saying: "if women were in charge, there would be no wars - just a load of countries not talking to each other for a number of silly reasons"

Like US-Cuba?

Don't feed the trolls.

Re: How Can There Still Be a Sex Difference, Even When There Is No Sex Difference?

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Is it generally accepted in the relevant scientific communities that male IQ's exhibit more variance than female IQ's? I imagine this type of thing would be easy to verify via e.g. standardized test scores.

One usual citation is Global Sex Differences in Test Score Variability (DOI: 10.1126/science.1162573).

It uses standardized test scores. I quote findings below. Remarks inside parentheses are mine.

"The third column in table S1, reports the estimated male/female variance ratios with standard errors in parentheses. In all but five countries (There are 41 countries) we can reject the hypothesis that the variance ratio is equal to one at 5% level. In all the countries where this hypothesis is rejected, the variance ratios are larger than one indicating that the male variance in reading is higher than the female variance."

In other words, male variance > female variance with 95% significance level in 36 countries, and no statistically significant difference in 5 countries. There is no countries where female variance > male variance with statistical significance.

There are various interpretations of this result. The usual interpretation is that there is a sex difference in variability. Another interpretation is that since variability difference is not universal (in 5 countries it is not statistically significant), variability difference is cultural. The later interpretation is argued in PNAS paper cited below.

Re: How Can There Still Be a Sex Difference, Even When There Is No Sex Difference?

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Is it generally accepted in the relevant scientific communities that male IQ's exhibit more variance than female IQ's? I imagine this type of thing would be easy to verify via e.g. standardized test scores.

Yes, it is generally accepted. But people don't like it. For example it explains why there are more men in high-status positions, which again, people don't like, and try to rail against ("We need more women in XYZ!"). For an even more "untouchable" subject try: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Race_and_intelligence

There's a 60/40 male/female split in that graph for people with IQ's of 140. First, you don't need an IQ of 140 to have a high-status position. Second, the male/female ratio for high-status positions is much higher than 60/40.
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