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Post by pound »

discardorama wrote: post #129
542458 wrote: post #121

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I think that's a little bit of an excessively simple viewpoint. The US army does much more than Abu Ghraib, Guantanamo and drones (in fact, a lot of what you just described is probably managed by agents outside the army such as the CIA). To flip this around, should every employee of a Silicon Valley company be shamed for rising property values in the area that have left many homeless? Should every Google employee be…

> should every employee of a Silicon Valley company be shamed for rising property values in the area that have left many homeless? Property values have nothing to do with homelessness. The roots of homelessness lie in the closure of mental-health facilities all across the US and California. These people need mental health counseling more than anything else.

it's not just closure of mental-health institution. You may also say the roots of homelessness lie in liberal values.

Here is a bit of context for often mentioned closure of mental hospitals/services: at first there was a decision NOT to force anyone with mental issues to be admitted into such establishments against their will unless they dangerous to themself/others. And only ofter that closures of half-empty at that point mental facilities started.

How do you think, how many of those psychos on the streets of SF/SJ will seek institutionalising on their own?

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by astrodust »

a3n wrote: post #95
Fede_V wrote: post #91

I do not want to sound shockingly naive, but I wonder how these people can sleep at night. You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. How can you do this, and still get up in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror? I can understand petty crime if the alternative is…

> I wonder how these people can sleep at night. These people are not you. They don't care. We should be mindful that there is a large fraction of people who care only about their own well being, regardless of consequences.

A lot of people fail to understand what sociopaths are like. They do not, can not care in the way that most people do. The best they can do is pretend to care.

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Post by jacquesm »

drzaiusapelord wrote: post #144
chinathrow wrote: post #142

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> Its incredible how people pretend deterrence isn't real or a social benefit. It's incredible how people pretend deterrence is for social benefit. It brought us already once near a global atomic war. Remember? https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cuban_Missile_Crisis We would live in a better world without nuclear arms, that I'm 100% sure of.

The alternative to cold wars is hot wars. Do you really want another WWII (60 million dead)? The idea that peace will happen if we make shitty arms is historically untrue. The idea that peace happens when we make cutting-edge arms is historically true.

> The alternative to cold wars is hot wars.

Nominated for the new entry in Wikipedia to illustrate 'false dichotomy'.

Really, was that the best alternative to one kind of war that you could come up with, another kind of war?

The idea that peace happens when all you see is war is historically very much untrue.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by chrisper »

liviu- wrote: post #81
jacquesm wrote: post #76

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That Outlook window has a header labeled 'product activation failed'. http://i.imgur.com/tdAKXFD.jpg

They also have keygens for VMWare laying around, so they might have some additional lawsuits coming their way.

How do you know this?

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Post by tyho »

tptacek wrote: post #126
anc84 wrote: post #108

Earlier quoted context omitted.

People who join the US army should be forced to watch videos of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo torture, they should be forced to watch testimonies of people in drone-bombed municipalities. But I am afraid that for many the "we good, they bad" mentality would justify those atrocities. Like another commenter said, who is bad and who is good really depends on your viewpoint.

People who say things like this make it much easier for people who work at places like Gamma and Hacking Team to rationalize what they do.

How so?

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by criley2 »

pound wrote: post #151
discardorama wrote: post #129

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> should every employee of a Silicon Valley company be shamed for rising property values in the area that have left many homeless? Property values have nothing to do with homelessness. The roots of homelessness lie in the closure of mental-health facilities all across the US and California. These people need mental health counseling more than anything else.

it's not just closure of mental-health institution. You may also say the roots of homelessness lie in liberal values. Here is a bit of context for often mentioned closure of mental hospitals/services: at first there was a decision NOT to force anyone with mental issues to be admitted into such establishments against their will unless they dangerous to themself/others. And only ofter that closures of half-empty at tha…

" You may also say the roots of homelessness lie in liberal values."

LOL - no. Liberal values include state housing which is proven time and time again to end mass homelessness at a smaller cost than the law enforcement, judicial and social cost of managing homeless populations. Liberal values strongly support taking from the rich to support the poor, including the mentally ill and homeless. You do not see many liberal values at play here.

Conservative values of "everyone must work, no work means you get no pay, no pay means you have no home" is the core cause of modern homelessness.

Not everyone in our society will or can work, and those who don't are lucky enough to be supported privately or publically or they're eventually homeless. This is the reality of a conservative value system.

Also, it's not just mental illness, homeless and mental illness are not synonyms. Many people are homeless, living in cars, couch surfing, and are not mentally ill requiring institutionalization.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by antirez »

I've no idea about the whole story and what Hacking Team exactly did during the years, but I started to write serious code around 1998 working for Vincenzetti, so I think I can provide some hint about this to counter-balance all the hate.

* They allowed me to work on hping, releasing it as free software during most of my working hours. They supported my research that lead to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idle_scan

* Vincenzetti taught me personally many things about POSIX, and he was a very skilled programmer. He wrote, AFAIK before SSH existed, a secure shell that was in use at least in Italy for some time. It used UDP and implemented the reliable connection on top of it in a secure way using state of art encryption. So we are talking about serious programmers.

* Bedeschi, the co-founder of the company, is an incredible hacker, from the way he typed to the keyboard to the incredible Unix knowledged he had.

I worked for a couple of months for their "SecLab", then left the company to return in Sicily since I did not wanted to live in Milan. I don't want to provide an ethical evaluation of the people and don't have enough information, but I can assure you that they were an incredible team of talented hackers.

EDIT: For sure they were very competitive people. I remember than when I left, Vincenzetti told me that it was a shame, I was a very talented programmer in his opinion, and I would finish in my little town in Sicily writing "soccer bet programs". He just wanted to push me to stay in the big city to know more hackers and so forth. I'm glad I don't write soccer bet programs BTW.

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Post by tptacek »

antirez wrote: post #157

I've no idea about the whole story and what Hacking Team exactly did during the years, but I started to write serious code around 1998 working for Vincenzetti, so I think I can provide some hint about this to counter-balance all the hate. * They allowed me to work on hping, releasing it as free software during most of my working hours. They supported my research that lead to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idle_scan *…

During the time you worked with them, did you contribute to projects you knew were used by LEOs and intelligence agencies? I'm curious about whether they got into "darker" stuff as they progressed.

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Post by antirez »

tptacek wrote: post #159
antirez wrote: post #157

I've no idea about the whole story and what Hacking Team exactly did during the years, but I started to write serious code around 1998 working for Vincenzetti, so I think I can provide some hint about this to counter-balance all the hate. * They allowed me to work on hping, releasing it as free software during most of my working hours. They supported my research that lead to https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Idle_scan *…

During the time you worked with them, did you contribute to projects you knew were used by LEOs and intelligence agencies? I'm curious about whether they got into "darker" stuff as they progressed.

No, that was a different company. We did plain penetration testings and other Security Firm works like firewalling, hardening. They sold this company, and started the new gig later when I was already gone for years.
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