This was like news 3 weeks ago , now its just known facts..
Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
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Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#12It seems that we almost reached the limit of Moore's law. 5nm seems to be a physical limit at least for sustainable changes of current technologies.
Reference "The Boy who cried Wolf". That pronouncement has been made and proven wrong way too many times for anybody to take it seriously. Eventually the wolf will come and the limit will be reached, but until it happens nobody will believe it.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#13The article is saying 10nm is delayed indefinitely. The supporting evidence is not there. Intel is not commenting, and kaby lake likely just means that 10nm will take more time. After 14nm broadwell was delayed a year, this is not a big surprise to anyone.
The day will come when feature shrinkage will end for silicon based chips, but it is not this day. I hope!
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#14A significant fraction this slowdown relates to Intel’s integrating graphics with their CPU's which not only costs silicon, but also adds heat. Intel has then traded most of their process gains into improving the terrible graphics performance to a near acceptable level at the cost of minimal CPU gains. Sadly without real ed: competition Intel quickly stagnates. And AMD is still far behind the curve.
I'm using a 5 year old laptop with intel graphics. It's fine for everything other than CAD and gaming. The former I don't do and the latter I have an XBox. Perhaps the market isn't there so this is no biggy?
The PC gaming market certainly is there, and Intel graphics are very good these days. There are few games that cannot be played on Intel graphics now, compared to back in the GMA 900 days when almost nothing at all would run on an integrated chip.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#15Earlier quoted context omitted.
I'm using a 5 year old laptop with intel graphics. It's fine for everything other than CAD and gaming. The former I don't do and the latter I have an XBox. Perhaps the market isn't there so this is no biggy?
If you use the latest OSX, slowdown is very noticeable because of animations and other effects.
That's mainly a GPU problem though.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#16A significant fraction this slowdown relates to Intel’s integrating graphics with their CPU's which not only costs silicon, but also adds heat. Intel has then traded most of their process gains into improving the terrible graphics performance to a near acceptable level at the cost of minimal CPU gains. Sadly without real ed: competition Intel quickly stagnates. And AMD is still far behind the curve.
Intel does see competition, but not on the high end. They are afraid of ARM creeping up on them on the low end.
Intel has smartphone envy, and both Intel and Microsoft bet big that PCs were going to go to tablet form factors. Maybe they will (USB C will be a factor, but they really need to take the trackpads out of convertables. When people look at a tablet they say "I need a keyboard and I need a mouse", they don't say "I need a trackpad". They see a convertable and say "The trackpad sux" and the response is to make the trackpad bigger.)
Clayton Christiansen's gospel has been thoroughly internalized by tech giants that don't want to be the next Kodak, but today it means companies like Intel are happy to stiff their current customers to get customers they don't have yet.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#17It seems that we almost reached the limit of Moore's law. 5nm seems to be a physical limit at least for sustainable changes of current technologies.
Reference "The Boy who cried Wolf". That pronouncement has been made and proven wrong way too many times for anybody to take it seriously. Eventually the wolf will come and the limit will be reached, but until it happens nobody will believe it.
But how is this is possible? Diameter of silicon atom is 0.2nm and we need at least several atoms to create a transistor. I am sure Intel will be able to fulfill its roadmap to 4nm, maybe 2nm, but at this size quantum effects are so large, that everything should be changed.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#18Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#19A significant fraction this slowdown relates to Intel’s integrating graphics with their CPU's which not only costs silicon, but also adds heat. Intel has then traded most of their process gains into improving the terrible graphics performance to a near acceptable level at the cost of minimal CPU gains. Sadly without real ed: competition Intel quickly stagnates. And AMD is still far behind the curve.
That may explain why Broadwell isn't significantly faster than Sandy Bridge, but I don't understand how it has anything to do with this announcement. How does 10nm being delayed 1 year have anything to do with integrating graphics?
The GPU takes resources and put pressure on the design, at the expense of CPU logic. I think what he meant to say is that an intel CPU-only could devote more transistor to logic without having to deal with so much heat which might still be a problem at 10nm.
Re: Intel's 10nm 'Cannonlake' delayed, replaced by 14nm 'Kaby Lake'
#20A significant fraction this slowdown relates to Intel’s integrating graphics with their CPU's which not only costs silicon, but also adds heat. Intel has then traded most of their process gains into improving the terrible graphics performance to a near acceptable level at the cost of minimal CPU gains. Sadly without real ed: competition Intel quickly stagnates. And AMD is still far behind the curve.
Intel does see competition, but not on the high end. They are afraid of ARM creeping up on them on the low end. Intel has smartphone envy, and both Intel and Microsoft bet big that PCs were going to go to tablet form factors. Maybe they will (USB C will be a factor, but they really need to take the trackpads out of convertables. When people look at a tablet they say "I need a keyboard and I need a mouse", they don't…
Aren't ARM memory systems terrible at the moment? And when you want to get off-die, well . . .