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Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by pakled_engineer »

Fede_V wrote: post #91

I do not want to sound shockingly naive, but I wonder how these people can sleep at night. You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. How can you do this, and still get up in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror? I can understand petty crime if the alternative is…

Even if these outfits only sell to "good" countries there's no guarantee those countries won't give access to shady regimes like Egypt or Saudi Arabia to round up and torture political dissidents as these are supposedly allies of the West.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by kisil_reboot »

chinathrow wrote: post #100
Fede_V wrote: post #91

I do not want to sound shockingly naive, but I wonder how these people can sleep at night. You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. How can you do this, and still get up in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror? I can understand petty crime if the alternative is…

You know, this is what I keep asking myself about all the fine folks in defense, developing the newest fucking weapons/plane/gun/drone/whatever which _will_ be used people in other countries. We should introduce a "walk away from your job"-kickstarter thing to encourage leaving those positions.

There's a wide range of moral gray area there. Imagine, e.g., a US contractor who builds converters that make dumb bombs into smart bombs. The US is going to bomb people anyway; better that they hit fewer non-targets along the way.

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Fede_V wrote: post #91

I do not want to sound shockingly naive, but I wonder how these people can sleep at night. You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. How can you do this, and still get up in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror? I can understand petty crime if the alternative is…

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Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by caskance »

Fede_V wrote: post #91

I do not want to sound shockingly naive, but I wonder how these people can sleep at night. You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. How can you do this, and still get up in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror? I can understand petty crime if the alternative is…

One man's freedom fighter is another man's terrorist.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by chinathrow »

kisil_reboot wrote: post #102
chinathrow wrote: post #100

Earlier quoted context omitted.

You know, this is what I keep asking myself about all the fine folks in defense, developing the newest fucking weapons/plane/gun/drone/whatever which _will_ be used people in other countries. We should introduce a "walk away from your job"-kickstarter thing to encourage leaving those positions.

There's a wide range of moral gray area there. Imagine, e.g., a US contractor who builds converters that make dumb bombs into smart bombs. The US is going to bomb people anyway; better that they hit fewer non-targets along the way.

> The US is going to bomb people anyway; better that they hit fewer non-targets along the way.

This has been used as a talking point pro smart bombs for some time now - and yet we have still bombings of weddings with a civilian hit rate of nearly 100%.

Killing is is still killing, no matter how smart the weapon is.

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Post by caskance »

celticninja wrote: post #68
veddox wrote: post #56

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> But they are not as free as Americans. Oh, give over! As if the US of A were the ultimate land of freedom. With the NSA, Guantanamo, race-based police violence... [Disclaimer: I have nothing against the USA (well, almost nothing). But I can't stand people talking about it as if it was the only true democracy/free country/heaven on earth.]

But they have guns. For some reason there is the belief that if you have guns then you are more free than someone without guns. Perhaps because the original intention was that if you have an armed population then they cannot be ruled over by means of force or they would at least be able to rise up against their opressors in a meaningful fashion. Guns in America are a bit of an opiate for the masses, people have guns…

Freedom is a feeling. If you feel free, then you are free.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

#108

Post by anc84 »

Fede_V wrote: post #91

I do not want to sound shockingly naive, but I wonder how these people can sleep at night. You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. How can you do this, and still get up in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror? I can understand petty crime if the alternative is…

People who join the US army should be forced to watch videos of Abu Ghraib and Guantanamo torture, they should be forced to watch testimonies of people in drone-bombed municipalities. But I am afraid that for many the "we good, they bad" mentality would justify those atrocities. Like another commenter said, who is bad and who is good really depends on your viewpoint.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by Ntrails »

Fede_V wrote: post #91

I do not want to sound shockingly naive, but I wonder how these people can sleep at night. You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. How can you do this, and still get up in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror? I can understand petty crime if the alternative is…

You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists.

You make so many assumptions about the viewpoint of the other person and then state that you cannot understand how they behave like this. Of course you cannot, you've phrased the question in a way which doesn't necessarily even make sense from their point of view.

Re: Hacking Team hacked, attackers claim 400GB in dumped data

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Post by dempseye »

Ntrails wrote: post #109
Fede_V wrote: post #91

I do not want to sound shockingly naive, but I wonder how these people can sleep at night. You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. How can you do this, and still get up in the morning while looking at yourself in the mirror? I can understand petty crime if the alternative is…

You've just sold software to some of the most brutal governments in the world, who will use your technology to track down and brutally torture incredibly brave human rights activists. You make so many assumptions about the viewpoint of the other person and then state that you cannot understand how they behave like this. Of course you cannot, you've phrased the question in a way which doesn't necessarily even make sen…

Care to illuminate their point of view for us?
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