"Cézanne could not draw, he makes the same drawing mistakes that every one makes in introductory drawing classes." This is not the case. Cézanne could draw exceedingly well. Drawing != photographic representation.
Obviously in this context I'm talking about drawing in the sense of rendering.
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#13"Cézanne could not draw, he makes the same drawing mistakes that every one makes in introductory drawing classes." This is not the case. Cézanne could draw exceedingly well. Drawing != photographic representation.
Obviously in this context I'm talking about drawing in the sense of rendering.
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#14"Cézanne could not draw, he makes the same drawing mistakes that every one makes in introductory drawing classes." This is not the case. Cézanne could draw exceedingly well. Drawing != photographic representation.
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#15cmon pg, your interpretation of Cezanne is like Caravaggio talkin about Lisp.
Can you give an example of something I said that you think is false? Or is this just a sort of reverse argument from authority?
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#16cmon pg, your interpretation of Cezanne is like Caravaggio talkin about Lisp.
Can you give an example of something I said that you think is false? Or is this just a sort of reverse argument from authority?
"The paintings made between 1430 and 1500 are still unsurpassed." (easy refutation - go to sistine chapel, look up).
"What made oil paint so exciting, when it first became popular in the fifteenth century, was that you could actually make the finished work from the prototype."
This is not how people painted with oil until the 19th century. It was a very expensive medium requiring careful preparatory work, sketches, and so on.
"Most painters start with a blurry sketch and gradually refine it." - completely unsupported.
"Line drawings are in fact the most difficult visual medium" - yes, carving marble is much easier.
"When oil paint replaced tempera in the fifteenth century, it helped painters to deal with difficult subjects like the human figure because, unlike tempera, oil can be blended and overpainted." - again, this is how oil paint was used much later. At the time it was painted in thin, transparent layers that did not allow the kind of reworking you learned four hundred years later in art class.
And now we have 'Cézanne can't draw" to add to the list.
Many of your other statements about art fall more in the 'not even wrong' category - fatuous generalizations based on your own tastes, but presented as deep insights about the world.
So it is a little disingenuous of you to keep asking for people to point to specific places where you are wrong. The wrong is diffusely and uniformly distributed.
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#17Earlier quoted context omitted.
Can you give an example of something I said that you think is false? Or is this just a sort of reverse argument from authority?
Well the claim that Cezanne couldn't draw is pretty obviously contradicted by his sketches, especially when you look at them "in the flesh".
Saying Cézanne couldn't draw is a glorious form of missing the point, like saying Stravinsky couldn't hold a tune.
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#20given that selection for "great art" is over a large number of people, why can't you find someone that is gifted in both areas?
perhaps one somehow counteracts the other (for example, you are praised for "mechanical skills" and so never learn "abstract thinking")?
or perhaps the market values the combination of "poor mechanical skills" with "great abstract skills" because it places the latter in strong relief?
or perhaps you do get people who are both (gerhard richter is the best example i can think of), but that's not enough to meet demand? (or meet fashion?)
or perhaps the numbers just don't work out - the population is just large enough for one or the other, but not both?
or, finally, perhaps the whole basis of the post is, in fact, false?