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Re: Ask HN: Do companies accept self-taught programmers?

#21
Yes.

I've hired >50 engineer in the last 12-18 months. They are experienced hires I will grant you, but education is something I barely look at on a resume. In fact, I can't even tell you how many are self taught vs not, but I suspect it's 30%+.

It's a little different for junior engineers, as it can make a difference, but in my experience the only thing you can ask for from any engineer, which is especially true for junior engineers, is: attitude and aptitude.

Re: Ask HN: Do companies accept self-taught programmers?

#22
I don't have degree and I worked in the second largest internet company in Russia (where university degree is mandatory for 90% of population due to soviet mindset).

Currently, I'm in process of interviewing with London Office of Facebook. They told me that they don't care about my degree. The only important thing is my skills. Also, I had conversation with Google HR, he told me the same. Ripple Labs has very advanced position for C++ developer and they don't care about your degree at all.

But I found that average tech companies care much more about degree than Google and Facebook.

So answer to your question:

Yes, top-tier employers in tech industry don't care about degree. But in order to get there you have to gain your first experience in average companies and it will be harder than with degree (but it's not impossible).

Degree is very important to getting work permit in USA (H1B visa), Canada and many other western countries.

I got my work permit in Sweden without any degree, but salaries here are low.

If you dream about California, you have to get your degree even if it's super boring.

Re: Ask HN: Do companies accept self-taught programmers?

#23
short answer is yes, just make some things that show your knowledge. But I wouldn't suggest to drop out.

A little bit longer answer: I'm from Germnay, I've studied architecture but I've decided last year I want to make my hobby my job, and I've applied for a few jobs and got some offers. On a sidenote our (sofware) architect did never finish school.

But I have a huge knowledge gap compared to my coworkes who have studied CS. I personally feel inferior to them. So I'm going back to university to study CS. I would suggest you shouldn't drop out.

Re: Ask HN: Do companies accept self-taught programmers?

#24
post #16

95,476 jobs posted http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=%22bachelors+degree%22&l= 5,308 jobs posted http://www.indeed.com/jobs?q=%22in+lieu+of+degree%22&l=

Instead of "in lieu of degree" you should've looked for "or equivalent technical experience" or something like that. That's what job ads usually say (Still true that having a degree gives you more job openings, but it's not that big of a difference).

Re: Ask HN: Do companies accept self-taught programmers?

#25
Many already said but I also would like to say yes as a college/university dropout.

Programming was my biggest interest since I was a child. So started with Basic, then moved to ASP 3.0, then C, then web programming with PHP and now, at the age of 32, I am still working as a full stack developer and getting paid well.

The hardest part of self-education is to learn best practices and how to do things on a large scale. So learning the syntax is easy but getting the principal and methodologies will take some time and practice.

Re: Ask HN: Do companies accept self-taught programmers?

#26
Never got a CS degree (got one in management, but that's a joke of a degree). I can say that i really feel lacking in maths, and it's nearly impossible to compensate by just googling, and it made me troubles with some projects. Otherwise i made quite a successful career and never had a problem getting customers/jobs. So forget it, if it's not one of the world's top IT schools (obviously these are not found in Indonesia), it is as good as nothing.

Re: Ask HN: Do companies accept self-taught programmers?

#27

Typically with years of experience substituted for a degree. For example, if hiring someone with a CS/MIS/CIS degree with 4 years experience. We'd accept 8 years experience in lieu of a degree. If you find learning in college boring, what do you think this field holds for you? You have a world full of knowledge you could be learning if you're bored, no professor is preventing you from becoming knowledgeable across ma…

http://100rsns.blogspot.com/p/complete-list-to-date.html

Re: Ask HN: Do companies accept self-taught programmers?

#28
No it doesn't matter for getting hired, it does matter for borders.

Since you're bored get some experience while in college and that will help out immensely, also the most important language to know is English, from your writing I'd really recommend brushing up.

Lots of sites like elance / remote programming jobs to find freelance work, don't burden your studies with the pressure of a full time gig.

Re: Ask HN: Do companies accept self-taught programmers?

#29
Having any sort of degree + experience can be an advantage. For example, I'm a programmer, but have my Bachelor's in Music and a whole previous career worth of experience. Achieving a college degree shows perseverance.

Spend some time working on your idea outside your studies. If you are already in college, you've already made a huge investment. Take advantage of the resources (including professors) and the network you have available to you during this time.

Do extra work, especially if you don't currently have a job or are raising a family right now. So many people piddle away this time and skip through college as if it doesn't cost thousands of dollars a semester (even if you didn't pay it, someone had to), or if it's some magical job-providing mechanism.

Get back to your studies and start your projects!

Re: Ask HN: Do companies accept self-taught programmers?

#30

I don't have degree and I worked in the second largest internet company in Russia (where university degree is mandatory for 90% of population due to soviet mindset). Currently, I'm in process of interviewing with London Office of Facebook. They told me that they don't care about my degree. The only important thing is my skills. Also, I had conversation with Google HR, he told me the same. Ripple Labs has very advance…

California is home to a world of startups in San Francisco that don't care about a degree. If you can prove yourself to be curious enough and have enough verifiable experience to back up your abilities, the startups will come for you.
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