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Living in a van - an inspirational story of frugality and achievement

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Re: Living in a van - an inspirational story of frugality and achievement

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post #12

I like the bit where he's paranoid about being discovered so he lies about where he lives, etc. Perhaps Salon has less readership than I'd imagined...

most recent entry from his blog:

  1. My identity is revealed.
  2. Duke knows about the van.
  3. I... am... fucked.
http://spartanstudent.blogspot.com/2009/12/no-he-dint.html

Re: Living in a van - an inspirational story of frugality and achievement

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While the adventure of van-living is fun and the rant on loans and cost of education are true, I think you can get the education you need in a financially responsible way without having to live in a smelly van all alone. I made it through my undergrad by working part-time, living at home, and going to state and community colleges. It took me over 5 years but I had no loans of any kind at then end. Maybe that's the difference between CS and English majors.

Re: Living in a van - an inspirational story of frugality and achievement

#23
post #14

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> Couldn't he be working on a startup, instead of living off rice in an ant-filled van? Why does "working on a startup" equate with "making the world a better place?"

Since the only way to make money is to provide something people want, if you are doing something that provides you with money, you are making your customers' world a better place, at least they must think so.

  I promise to take care of toxic waste for some large 
  manufacturing corporations. I take their money and 'dispose'
  of the waste. What if I dispose of the waste into waterways 
  (lakes, rivers,etc)? My customers are happy because the waste
  is taken off of their hands. If anyone ever finds out about
  the dumping, they can claim to no know anything (and they
  may well not know anything) and *I'm* the one that takes
  the fall, not them. In the meantime, they get to reap the
  benefits of cheaper disposal (since it's not being disposed
  of properly). I would hardly say that I'm making the world
  a better place though.
"happy customers" != "a better world"

Re: Living in a van - an inspirational story of frugality and achievement

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post #22

While the adventure of van-living is fun and the rant on loans and cost of education are true, I think you can get the education you need in a financially responsible way without having to live in a smelly van all alone. I made it through my undergrad by working part-time, living at home, and going to state and community colleges. It took me over 5 years but I had no loans of any kind at then end. Maybe that's the di…

He also said he wouldn't take his mom's money, so this was also to prove something to himself.

Re: Living in a van - an inspirational story of frugality and achievement

#26
post #12

I like the bit where he's paranoid about being discovered so he lies about where he lives, etc. Perhaps Salon has less readership than I'd imagined...

most recent entry from his blog: 1. My identity is revealed. 2. Duke knows about the van. 3. I... am... fucked. http://spartanstudent.blogspot.com/2009/12/no-he-dint.html

It seems really odd that he'd use his real name in the byline. Getting caught after doing that is not exactly an unforeseeable consequence, which means he was probably ready to move on to the next phase anyway, and getting the byline is more valuable to him than maintaining the status quo.

My guess? He's going after a book deal or something.

Re: Living in a van - an inspirational story of frugality and achievement

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Most undergrads imagine they'll effortlessly pay off their loans when they start getting paid the big bucks; they're living in a state of denial, disregarding the implications of a tough job market and how many extra years of work their spending sprees have sentenced them to. But "facts do not cease to exist because they are ignored," as Aldous Huxley famously said.

No, they don't. The facts are that your prospects as an English major are, on average, fairly dim. However, your assumption that everyone will be in your position after graduation is woefully self-absorbed.

I have sympathy for my fellow students. I did many of the same things when I was an undergrad. Plus, escaping student debt -- no matter how frugal they try to be -- is nearly impossible. Even if they do resort to purchasing a large creepy van, most will still have to go tens of thousands of dollars into debt to pay for tuition.

I think not.

The idea of "thrift," once an American ideal, now seems almost quaint to many college students, particularly those at elite schools. The typical student today is not so frugal. Few know where the money they're spending is coming from and even fewer know how deep they're in debt. They're detached from the source of their money. That's because there is no source. They're getting paid by their future selves.

And? He states this like it's prima facie ridiculous. The world runs on non-liquid assets and loans. If he thinks that he's somehow permanently escaped loans and debt he is going to have a rude awakening when he goes to buy a house and needs to take out a mortgage. Of course, he could always choose never to buy a house and live in a van for the rest of his life, but that completely ruins his idea of how "sensible" he is for avoiding college loans.

In essence, if he enjoys living frugally and does it for internal reasons (Thoreau's ideal) then that is perfectly fine. However if he believes that he is somehow in a better living and financial situation than the rest of his peers he is simply deluding himself. Yes, college education is exorbitant and yes loans make take years, even decades, to pay off. However, the idea that loans are obviously a negative thing have no basis in math or economics. One can construct situations in which loans and debt result in disaster, sure, but one can also create similar situations that have no negative consequence. That is, it is not the loan itself which is prima facie negative, but the circumstances surrounding it.

Re: Living in a van - an inspirational story of frugality and achievement

#28
post #22

While the adventure of van-living is fun and the rant on loans and cost of education are true, I think you can get the education you need in a financially responsible way without having to live in a smelly van all alone. I made it through my undergrad by working part-time, living at home, and going to state and community colleges. It took me over 5 years but I had no loans of any kind at then end. Maybe that's the di…

The adventure of van-living isn't always fun: http://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=917395

Re: Living in a van - an inspirational story of frugality and achievement

#29
This reminds me of an experiment I did in college to see how small of a food budget I could go on while still maintaining three healthy (and delicious) meals per day.

I think I got it down to under $2/meal with a carb, protein, and veggie/fruit component to each meal. Pretty amazing when you factor in that I did ~50% of my shopping at Whole Foods. (they have quite competitive prices when it comes to frozen veggies and dried pasta)

Amazing how far money will go when you don't have very much of it.

Re: Living in a van - an inspirational story of frugality and achievement

#30
post #23

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Since the only way to make money is to provide something people want, if you are doing something that provides you with money, you are making your customers' world a better place, at least they must think so.

I promise to take care of toxic waste for some large manufacturing corporations. I take their money and 'dispose' of the waste. What if I dispose of the waste into waterways (lakes, rivers,etc)? My customers are happy because the waste is taken off of their hands. If anyone ever finds out about the dumping, they can claim to no know anything (and they may well not know anything) and *I'm* the one that takes the fall,…

So how does one make the world a better place?

Most methods I can think of cost a lot of money.

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