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Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by madeofpalk »

redthrowaway wrote: post #383
geofft wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment I replied to was trying to say that this isn't about the firing, and is about the process of limiting free speech and restricting subs in a non-transparent manner. I see none of that in the /r/askscience post. It seems to me that there are two major, unrelated tensions in Reddit at the moment: 1. Certain people want Reddit to be a haven for free speech, including speech that coordinates abusive actions. T…

>Tension 2 is organizational debt that Ellen Pao clearly inherited, and while the buck now stops with her to fix it, nobody thinks it's a problem of her making. You don't have to think it's a problem of her making to think that she is singularly incapable of solving it. This is, after all, a person so far removed from the reddit community that she posted a link to her own inbox.[0] kn0thing is, for all his original t…

> You don't have to think it's a problem of her making to think that she is singularly incapable of solving it. This is, after all, a person so far removed from the reddit community that she posted a link to her own inbox.[0]

I think she's singularly incapable of solving it, but that's fine. I don't think it's reasonable to expect her to be. She should be running a company and building a team that can solve it.

Yes, that's a bit of stupidity in her posting a link to her own inbox.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by bluecalm »

geofft wrote: post #274
natrius wrote: post #234

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As someone who loves reddit, this dichotomy is the clearest sign that it has no future. Anyone who values freedom of expression and knows how to program can help build a decentralized reddit that no one controls on top of platforms like IPFS and Ethereum's Swarm. Every attempt at building a reddit clone fails because reddit enjoys tremendous network effects. But decentralization yields its own network effects—you don…

I wouldn't say I love Reddit, but I'm certainly an active user. But I'm not subscribed to any of the subreddits that were affected, and I wouldn't have noticed if it weren't for this thread. There are lots of little communities that work well, with their own things they value. (There was a particular thread over on /r/OrthodoxChristianity, now removed, that would have been hilarious if it wasn't sad: a member of the…

>>philosophically, the community doesn't align well with Reddit as a whole

It's true. I for example was off-put by what I perceive as forced niceness. While it shouldn't matter on a subreddit dedicated to a programming language it's, at least for me, an illustration of culture conflict on Reddit.

Very small example: there was a poster claiming that we shouldn't use a word "guys" when referring to mixed groups and the moderators were willing to grant that request/encourage different ways of addressing mixed groups for some completely bs (in my view) reasons like the equivalent word in German being used only to address male groups.

Well, my preferred way of dealing with such requests is: "We don't mean to offend anyone but this is English so deal with it, using a word guys to address mixes groups is completely standard"

I find the culture of forced niceness and political correctness off-putting and it is reason enough for me not to engage in certain communities (/r/chess is another one I stopped posting in because of it). I think a difference in views on this matter is also why some Reddit communities are perceived as hateful while I not only don't see any hate there but I often see the critics as hateful authoritarians (one example: r/mensrights)

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by pilsetnieks »

redthrowaway wrote: post #383
geofft wrote: post #347

Earlier quoted context omitted.

The comment I replied to was trying to say that this isn't about the firing, and is about the process of limiting free speech and restricting subs in a non-transparent manner. I see none of that in the /r/askscience post. It seems to me that there are two major, unrelated tensions in Reddit at the moment: 1. Certain people want Reddit to be a haven for free speech, including speech that coordinates abusive actions. T…

>Tension 2 is organizational debt that Ellen Pao clearly inherited, and while the buck now stops with her to fix it, nobody thinks it's a problem of her making. You don't have to think it's a problem of her making to think that she is singularly incapable of solving it. This is, after all, a person so far removed from the reddit community that she posted a link to her own inbox.[0] kn0thing is, for all his original t…

> How tone deaf is that?

It could be that he's not allowed to say anything about the matter. It reads to me more like an honest attempt at damage control while at the same time not divulging anything about the situation. So far his communication has been the most reasonable and levelheaded of all the reddit admins. I doubt he's lost his touch with the community, rather that he's been gagged and cannot say more than he does.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by DanBC »

tptacek wrote: post #336

Alex Ohanian's comments about this ridiculous tire fire, and the Reddit community's unhinged responses. Priceless . https://www.reddit.com/user/kn0thing

Wow, the downvotes go back for days. His last comment with a net upvote is 9 days ago.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by caskance »

minimaxir wrote: post #50
btown wrote: post #41

The admin in question, Victoria (/u/chooter), is still posting, and gives every indication that it was not an expected nor voluntary departure: https://www.reddit.com/user/chooter /u/karmanaut, one of the most prolific moderators, gave some insight into why this is such a big deal: https://www.reddit.com/r/OutOfTheLoop/comments/3bw39q/why_ha... > We had a number of AMAs scheduled for today that Victoria was supposed…

It's not even that: apparently the mods weren't notified of the organizational change because "we were busy handling the day's flow of AMAs and taking care of those AMA guests took priority." https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3bwgjf/riam...

Except they obviously didn't take care of those guests.

https://twitter.com/edfrenkel

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by yuhong »

markdown wrote: post #196
nols wrote: post #110

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Spare us, Reddit's been mismanaged for long before Ms Pao started there. Just look at Alexis Ohanian's (kn0thing) comments[0]. Not to mention the celeb nudes debacle, which was allowed then disallowed and announced by a sysadmin [1]. And the then CEO Yishan Wong publicly fighting with a former employee [2]. Then we can go way back to /r/jailbait and the Violentacrez affair, the only mod to be awarded a golden trophy…

> And the then CEO Yishan Wong publicly fighting with a former employee This was awesome. The employee started the trash talk, fully expecting Reddit not to defend itself (as expected of bullshit corporate america). It was perfect /r/justiceporn when Wong came out swinging in response. Glorious to see.

Yishan has other problems, but yes I really dislike anti-discrimination laws for example. A better idea is to impose anti-discrimination restrictions on specific companies.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by im3w1l »

bashinator wrote: post #318

Top comment from that gizmodo article: "Reddit is legitimately full of the most self important toxic people ever. It’s also home to a huge variety of all manners of genius and hilarity." I will miss it. As an Old Person™, reddit was the closest the modern Internet has come to replicating the heyday of Usenet in the 80s/90s. But because it's controlled by a single corporation instead of federating among all internet s…

Why did usenet decline?

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by 7952 »

thisisdallas wrote: post #73
blhack wrote: post #33

It's kindof astonishing what is happening over at reddit right now. "The internet" has it's own culture, and the people running reddit right now (one of the places where this culture is the strongest, imo), seem to have no idea how to interface with it. It honestly feels like it got taken over by silicon valley middle management marketing types or something, and now they just can't seem to figure out why the users ke…

>The internet" has it's own culture, and the people running reddit right now (one of the places where this culture is the strongest, imo), seem to have no idea how to interface with it. The first rule of the internet is you don't censor the internet.

The thing is that as a user I want some control over what I see. I do not want NSFW content in my feed, or to accidentally see things that are illegal/NSFL. I want to avoid the worse of the troll and hatey people. Reddit does not have freedom of speech, it has admin controlled thiefdoms. This works well, but if a particular community jepardises the whole it should go elsewhere.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by jarman »

termain wrote: post #309
geofft wrote: post #274

Earlier quoted context omitted.

I wouldn't say I love Reddit, but I'm certainly an active user. But I'm not subscribed to any of the subreddits that were affected, and I wouldn't have noticed if it weren't for this thread. There are lots of little communities that work well, with their own things they value. (There was a particular thread over on /r/OrthodoxChristianity, now removed, that would have been hilarious if it wasn't sad: a member of the…

I'd suggest directed acyclic graph comments, too, so that a comment can reply to more than one other comment. Potentially super nice, but I haven't seen anyone implement them yet.

Imageboards implement such system, by having plain hyperlink(s) to parent(s) in post body, and JS to produce backlinks and convenient navigation
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