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Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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It honestly feels like it got taken over by silicon valley middle management marketing types or something, and now they just can't seem to figure out why the users keep getting pissed off at them. I can't agree more, back in the jedberg/HueyPreist days the staff felt like reddit users, now you get the feeling the office just looks at the community as a magic box of unpaid labor. Anyone putting in real effort is bette…

> basically everything you said It isn't about the firing. It is about subverting posts, subverting ideologies, deleting subs, limiting free speech in general and having an ambiguous morality/decision making process that is impossible to trust. Hiring Pao was so stupid. Leaving aside whether she was qualified, you can't lead a team that doesn't respect or relate to you. > this is a huge vote of "no confidence" toward…

They're not "limiting free speech" in any way or form. They're moderating what gets published on their platform. That's a totally different thing. You got anything to say? Print out a pamphlet or host a blog on your own server. Nobody's stopping you.

As to ambiguous decision making -- you're right about that, but they have a problem. Reddit has a largeish group of teenagers, unemployed white men living in their mother's basement and techno-libertarians, that have turned the site into a cesspool of xenophobia, misogyny, wingnut conspiracies and most of all -- lots of eighth grade drama . Those people, of course, don't matter (advertisers don't care much about them), and nobody in the real-world (not most Reddit users) care or even notice the imaginary armageddon taking place in those kids' heads, but the problem with them is that 1) they're unreasonable, and 2) they have the time to make the lives of the site administrators miserable (it would make their day -- they've got nothing more exciting to do).

So the people running Reddit are scared. They've invited the devil -- worse, teenagers -- into their home for an endless party, and they know they'll trash the place even more if the party were to end. So they're sending mixed messages. They're talking about respect, but they allow CoonTown and "men"'s rights groups. It's time for Reddit to grow some balls, kick the misbehaving kids out, shutdown not a few, but all hate subreddits, all without issuing as much as a press release. The kids will talk about their judgement day (that nobody in the world would notice) for years, the grown men in their mom's basement will feel like they're actually being hunted, and everybody would get exactly what they want.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Officially debunked by Ellen Pao: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3bxm5v/redd...

"Denied", perhaps. "Debunked" goes a bit far for a comment that consists solely of the words, "It's not true".

Then someone asks what is true, and Ellen writes "I'm sorry, but I can't comment on an individual employee's situation."

I know this is much like watching E! entertainment, but wow reddit's management is hilariously bad.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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> basically everything you said It isn't about the firing. It is about subverting posts, subverting ideologies, deleting subs, limiting free speech in general and having an ambiguous morality/decision making process that is impossible to trust. Hiring Pao was so stupid. Leaving aside whether she was qualified, you can't lead a team that doesn't respect or relate to you. > this is a huge vote of "no confidence" toward…

You forgot ethics in game journalism.

LOL (I think this is the first time I've ever written that word, but I really laughed this time). Well done! :)

But hey, kids need to feel important too, and nothing gives you a sense of belonging as a manufactured conspiracy and a sense of persecution.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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A tangential point, but I really abhor this style of writing: "/r/IAmA, /r/AskReddit, /r/science, /r/gaming, /r/history, /r/Art, /r/videos, /r/gadgets, and /r/movies have all made themselves private in response to the removal of an administrator key to the AMA process (... lots of other text ...) Major subreddits, including /r/4chan, /r/circlejerk and /r/ImGoingToHellForThis, have also expressed solidarity through go…

Mm. I think it's being adopted here precisely because it is used in "professional" news reports. Same with prefixing things with "Breaking:"..

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Felt I should share this. There are a number of really good established alternatives with great mods and admins for those who wish to branch out and check out something new: www.snapzu.com - Excellent content and friendly community. Has a unique XP/Leveling system and ability to post content into multiple subs. www.empeopled.com - Gives you more influence based on the amount of up-votes you've received. Use influence…

www.metafilter.com it's not free, but that's not a bad thing

They also pay their mods right?

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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>the handful of people who put in effort under reddit's brand are in an exploitative relationship. In some ways, it feels like Twitch.tv. I'm a little sad when I think of all these people making an 'exception' with twitch.tv by turning off their ad-blocks, by gladly giving $5 per month PER subscription (and some people subscribe multiple times on the same channel), by excusing a streaming website that still uses Flas…

Twitch still uses flash because HLS wasn't widely supported until recently. Everyone knows Twitch takes half of the $5, there is no naivety there. And the gamification of subscriptions is a good thing for streamers. Anyone who has been a partner with both Twitch and YouTube will tell you Twitch is miles ahead when it comes to actually caring about its partners.

I'm not arguing against the choices of Twitch per se, I'm commenting on the bunch of free passes they get because the viewers see themselves as part of the 'twitch community'.

Saying that the gamification of subscriptions is good for the streamer is the same as saying that games with micro-transactions, designed to be addictive, are good for the developers. Of course it is, but someone is paying for it...

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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>the handful of people who put in effort under reddit's brand are in an exploitative relationship. In some ways, it feels like Twitch.tv. I'm a little sad when I think of all these people making an 'exception' with twitch.tv by turning off their ad-blocks, by gladly giving $5 per month PER subscription (and some people subscribe multiple times on the same channel), by excusing a streaming website that still uses Flas…

I'm not sure this is an "exploitative relationship", unless you also define your relationship with a supermarket chain or netflix to be "exploitative". You give money for a service. Said service tries to extract money as efficiently as possible. It's a capitalistic relationship, certainly. But it's very different. reddit volunteers provide their efforts to improve reddit's brand, for free, generally just for personal…

Except that I don't go out of my way to 'help' the supermarket. I don't give them free passes and give them a look of "Oh you!" when they screw up.

Twitch has also many volunteers. Just look at this guide on how to become a Twitch admin: https://www.reddit.com/r/Twitch/comments/2f77aw/how_to_becom...

"That means that being a Global Moderator is not something you get paid for."

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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I've been saying that the Scarlet Letter Administration of Pao are "paper tigers swimming in a barrel of incompetence" But today's tone deafness astounds even me. They have no allies left. They also immediately destroyed the narrative that reddit just hates Pao because she's a woman. Victoria was one of the most popular and well respected admins ever. Even the tinfoil hats at /r/conspiracy trusted her not to manipula…

Your post seems quite accurate but I'd like to point out that one thing often mentioned about misogyny on the internet is that it's 'powerful' women that get the most hate. 'Powerful' women and authority figures get grief. And women in helper roles do not. So your statement is correct but perhaps people's attitudes to gender still influences their response to Pao. Food for thought

Wouldn't a simpler explanation be that powerful/authority figures, regardless of gender, always get the most grief? I think there's a misattribution error occurring here: the amount of grief one receives is not a function of gender, it is a function of 'power'.

That seems more logical to me. If you're in a powerful position, you have to 'own' unpopular decisions. And the decisions of those higher up affect larger numbers of people. Meaning that there's a higher probability of receiving a hateful email from the 1 crank in a group affected by a decision you made.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Yeah, because those are all the things that keep IRC alive... not. You really don't think it's an architecture problem? Do you really think "all" we need is "good tech" and "good people"? Everyone thinks that, and thinks they have that when they start something. What we need, I think, is a forum/thread/whatchamacallit protocol, like IRC is that protocol for chat. Am I crazy?

It's called NNTP and predates HTTP.

And it was glorious. And then it died.
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