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Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by sentenza »

throwaway538779 wrote: post #454

Hacker News is behaving weirdly with respect to this story: It's been up for 9 hours and has 714 points but is lower on the front page than "What was the technology stack driving the original Ultima Online servers?" which has been up for 18 hours and has less than half (307) the points. What's going on here?

This thread reads more like reddit than it does like HN. So probably somebody behind the scenes sent it on its path downwards.

Might even be the right thing to do, since the whole situation is far from known and opinions boil over.

Who knows.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by chippy »

stormbeta wrote: post #146
MrBlue wrote: post #83

Go to: https://voat.co

Too bad most of the community there is made up of the worst of reddit. Maybe if enough normal users moved there it'd be worth it, and maybe that will actually happen if reddit doesn't figure out how to salvage this, but until then, there's nothing on voat worth wading through the sewage.

Agreed. People move from one site to another because the other site is better, not because the first site is worse. There's a difference between push and pull that makes a good or a bad community.

It's why reddit and digg and facebook and twitter grew - they were better than the other sites, they pulled users in.

Voat is being used because reddit is pushing.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by draven »

thought_alarm wrote: post #87

Quickly! Everybody back to Usenet!

I really loved Usenet when I discovered it (I never posted though.) The moderation capabilities were not well developed, but it was way more client-centric and decentralized.

I wonder it there's a market for a modern reboot of usenet.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by [deleted] »

socrates1998 wrote: post #185

I get that Reddit is a business, but I don't get how they are handling their business right now. They are pissing off the user base while not making any money. Did they think a "lose/lose" solution was the direction to go in? Regardless, they are just really fucking things up. They can't seem to figure out what they are doing. Do they even have a plan?

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Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by DanBC »

Tomte wrote: post #452
DanBC wrote: post #448

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Brigading, on the scale FPH did it, falls under vote manipulation and don't break the site. EDIT: Subs encourage use of non-participation links because for ages Reddit has banned subs that brigade.

Excuse me, but what is "brigading", actually? Until now I assumed it was gathering lots of users to harass people IRL or on other web sites, but I guess I'm mistaken?

In Reddit context:

/r/ThisSubReddit exists. There's a post in /r/ThisSubReddit that someone doesn't like. They post a link to that post to /r/OtherSubReddit, sometimes with commentary (eg, "look at this idiot!")

That causes a bunch of people from /r/OtherSubReddit to visit /r/ThisSubReddit. That's okay, unless they start voting; or insulting; or harassing users.

The voting is not okay because often the brigading sub is much larger than the sub being brigaded. (FPH had 150,000 subscribed users) People generally agree that the heavily modded subs are better. Brigading makes it really hard for mods to do any modding. (If just 1% of FPH subs decide to vote that's 1,500 people. If your sub is only 800 subscribers you're going to get crushed by FPH.)

The harassment is not okay because, well, fuck those people who think it's okay to visit a self-harm support sub and tell people to kill themselves.

That kind of brigading has been risky for subs for a while now; plenty of subs got warned, temp banned, or permanently banned for this.

fatpeoplehate was warned multiple times about brigading. But the problem with FPH was not just on-Reddit brigading. They took it to facebook, youtube, a bunch of other websites. They also, if the admins are to be believed, took it AFK to people's IRL work / school / homes.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by Eupolemos »

ionforce wrote: post #311
HappyTypist wrote: post #289

Marc Bodnick commented on why Victoria was fired: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI9iYW7VAAAzzJN.png I consider him to be a reputable source and the claims are very plausible. Out of touch management never know how out of touch they are.

Well at least we know she was someone principle. Also, terrible management? "You disagree with me? You're fired."

If it is true - it almost feels like a parody.

I'm not saying I don't believe it, just that I'm keeping my mind open.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by rjaco31 »

ep4d4s wrote: post #411
Frozenlock wrote: post #335

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>the handful of people who put in effort under reddit's brand are in an exploitative relationship. In some ways, it feels like Twitch.tv. I'm a little sad when I think of all these people making an 'exception' with twitch.tv by turning off their ad-blocks, by gladly giving $5 per month PER subscription (and some people subscribe multiple times on the same channel), by excusing a streaming website that still uses Flas…

The music detection stuff I feel was probably bigger than them. DMCA and whatnot. You forget YouTube follows suite in this regard. Not keeping videos forever honestly made sense to me. They were very scientific about it in their blog post and showed that honestly, nobody is really watching these archives. If at most they're there to watch a certain clip (which can be highlighted which ARE kept forever). Banning cleav…

> Banning cleavages again makes sense... Otherwise the site would turn into a softcore cam site with gamers.

Wait what? I've never seen or heard of anything remotely close to "softcore cam" on Twitch, I find it extremely stupid and rather discriminatory to ban cleavage for female gamers. It's a very bad omen for further possible restrictions imho.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by LiquidFlux »

throwaway538779 wrote: post #454

Hacker News is behaving weirdly with respect to this story: It's been up for 9 hours and has 714 points but is lower on the front page than "What was the technology stack driving the original Ultima Online servers?" which has been up for 18 hours and has less than half (307) the points. What's going on here?

Have HN admins addressed comments regarding weighting concerns in the past?

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by Ded7xSEoPKYNsDd »

rtpg wrote: post #91
27182818284 wrote: post #81

Earlier quoted context omitted.

> a default subreddit carries extra responsibilities. Tell that to the admins that just cut a beloved person without prior consultation or a continuity plan. I'm blown away by what Reddit has been doing in the last few months. I thought it was just me being a get-off-my-lawn old user (since I've been on Reddit like 7-8 years or something) but then I had a young copyrighter (early twenties) talking to me about leaving…

>Tell that to the admins that just cut a beloved person without prior consultation or a continuity plan. Let's think about the fact that this is possible for a company to do this to a full-time employee with several years experience next time an election comes up. Unfortunately, not all of us get the luxury of advance notice on firings/layoffs

Even in countries where an employer has to give advance notice that just means they have to continue to pay the fired employee. That person can still be sent home if the employer prefers that over the employer continuing their job or training their replacements.
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