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Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by knorby » Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 6:07 AM UTC

markdown wrote: post #196

nols wrote: post #110

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Spare us, Reddit's been mismanaged for long before Ms Pao started there. Just look at Alexis Ohanian's (kn0thing) comments[0]. Not to mention the celeb nudes debacle, which was allowed then disallowed and announced by a sysadmin [1]. And the then CEO Yishan Wong publicly fighting with a former employee [2]. Then we can go way back to /r/jailbait and the Violentacrez affair, the only mod to be awarded a golden trophy…

> And the then CEO Yishan Wong publicly fighting with a former employee This was awesome. The employee started the trash talk, fully expecting Reddit not to defend itself (as expected of bullshit corporate america). It was perfect /r/justiceporn when Wong came out swinging in response. Glorious to see.

Would you work for Reddit right now, or even then?

I got the impression then, and I definitely get it now, that the management has little respect for their employees. In the case of Yishan's spat, it was definitely relatable, but it definitely had the smell of the company that view employees as assets to be managed and controlled rather than people with emotions and opinions.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by rayalez » Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 6:07 AM UTC

A time like this is an excellent opportunity to create a reddit competitor. Current alternatives(like voat.co) are focused on completely avoiding censorship and moderation, thus attracting the worst of reddit.

I am curious, what are your thoughts on how one could go about attracting the best of reddit?

I am working on a personal project that is very similar, but I wouldn't try to compete with reddit to attract all the haters and celebrity-gossip kind of people. Do you have some ideas about what kind of startup could attract the most intelligent and creative parts of the community?

(right now my project is focused on writers, "reddit meets fictionpress", but it would be very easy to pivot into something broader, if I can come up with a smart way to do that)

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by ivanb » Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 6:08 AM UTC

From the outside view it looks like people of Reddit are unsatisfied with their government and so they destroy their own motherland in an attempt to overthrow said government. Looks very much alike any coup d'etat. Human nature is in play again. It will lead to civil war and huge damage to the community. In the end there will be no winner.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by datasage » Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 6:09 AM UTC

x0x0 wrote: post #134

keithy wrote: post #60

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Sometimes the best thing to do is to do nothing at all. Reddit is OK already, but the new management seems to want to change it more and more. These new CEO's want to always push their "vision" for what reddit should be despite what the userbase wants and the backlash for that is already showing. The thing is, the power doesn't rest on the CEO or the company, it rests on the user base. Redditors can migrate to any ot…

Reddit is a pretty terrible business. Discussion boards in general are a terrible business. Redditors can migrate anywhere they want, but the question is where are they welcome, particularly in volume? voat is begging for money, fighting with paypal, and being forced to kill wannabe kiddy porn / jailbait. I'm sure reddit would be super tore up if the fat haters, racists, and jailbait traders left :rolleyes:

This is where most of the conflict lies. Reddit the community and Reddit the business don't have the same goals in mind.

The company wants to grow and become more profitable, the community wants to preserve what it has.

I don't know if a site like this can really be run as a for profit company, at least not a growth oriented one. The obvious monetization schemes will be met with resistance. Even though its attracted a lot of users, can it really ever make money?

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by mcintyre1994 » Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 6:10 AM UTC

pixl97 wrote: post #320

thaw12 wrote: post #284

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Wait, I thought it ran on a completely different codebase? It's hung from an ASP.NET framework running on an IIS server. https://github.com/voat/voat

Trying to grow a site to Reddits size on IIS? That won't end well.

I think stackexchange are still running on IIS so it's probably close to doable - although I imagine they have some seriously smart people and resources way beyond what Voat will in the near future.

That said, does Azure play nicely with IIS? I bet it's expensive but can you scale that way maybe?

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by elchief » Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 6:11 AM UTC

Crito wrote: post #327

philtar wrote: post #121

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http://voat.co

Wake me when they're not hosted on a pocket calculator.

Best I can do is an EC2 micro instance

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by rsync » Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 6:12 AM UTC

nadams wrote: post #35

chernevik wrote: post #8

Jesse Jackson had an AMA that did not go very well. Several of the most upvoted questions were simply disrespectful. The Reverend's answers were mostly boilerplate and often unresponsive to the question. The AMA seems to have been part of some PR rollout -- Mother Jones had an article three days ago about Jackson taking on Silicon Valley. The event seems to have failed the rollout's objectives. Not a great moment for…

> Jesse Jackson had an AMA that did not go very well. Several of the most upvoted questions were simply disrespectful. I think anyone could have seen that coming. Anonymous accounts with community voting and an API to boot? This is only asking for trouble - especially if the AMA was done by an individual who wasn't familiar with the personality of the community or internet etiquette in general. Assuming every other A…

To the person talking about his downvotes: don't.

Do not interrupt the discussion to meta-discuss the scoring system. Don't talk about your score or your votes.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by rawnlq » Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 6:14 AM UTC

For people comparing this with Digg v4 you should remember digg was already on a steady decline long before it completely imploded with the redesign: http://www.google.com/trends/explore?q=reddit+digg#q=digg%2C...

But reddit on the other hand still seems to be growing and haven't hit an inflection point: http://www.google.com/trends/explore#q=reddit

Even the recent fph drama barely caused a noticeable blip in traffic and was easily recovered from a few days later.

This event might be the start of the inflection point but reddit isn't going to die overnight anytime soon.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by meric » Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 6:18 AM UTC

rodgerd wrote: post #216

trcollinson wrote: post #175

I have heard a lot of people here and in reddit say, "well we should just make something better and leave!" Maybe a lot of that talk is just anger or discontent coming out right now. The community is up in arms. The moderators are frustrated at both corporate reddit and the website/tools available to them. Users are mortified. But in all seriousness, I want to explore the question, why don't we? What is stopping us f…

> But really, why not just replace it? It costs money to run. Serious money if you're going to have employees. And, as voat have discovered, if you're going to become the favoured destination of the assorted gators, racists, pedo^h^h^h^hebeophiles, woman-haters, frozen peachers, and assorted bottom-of-the-barrel types that have been looking for reddit alternatives in the last few months, you may find it quite difficu…

Hey, modern Australia was founded from a colony of convicts, too.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by minimaxir » Fri, Jul 03, 2015, 6:20 AM UTC

HappyTypist wrote: post #289

Marc Bodnick commented on why Victoria was fired: https://pbs.twimg.com/media/CI9iYW7VAAAzzJN.png I consider him to be a reputable source and the claims are very plausible. Out of touch management never know how out of touch they are.

Officially debunked by Ellen Pao: https://www.reddit.com/r/SubredditDrama/comments/3bxm5v/redd...