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Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by koko775 »

nols wrote: post #110
eclipxe wrote: post #77

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Pao ruined reddit unfortunately. Time for an alternative.

Spare us, Reddit's been mismanaged for long before Ms Pao started there. Just look at Alexis Ohanian's (kn0thing) comments[0]. Not to mention the celeb nudes debacle, which was allowed then disallowed and announced by a sysadmin [1]. And the then CEO Yishan Wong publicly fighting with a former employee [2]. Then we can go way back to /r/jailbait and the Violentacrez affair, the only mod to be awarded a golden trophy…

Just a note for accuracy, Ellen was hired by reddit well before (months) the celebgate scandal broke

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by beedogs »

rodgerd wrote: post #200
lingben wrote: post #138

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It is a 2 way street. The community can be nasty but they do not treat every admin this way. Consider Victoria who was just fired. The whole shenanigan today isn't really about her but about the way the mods are being treated. But my point is that the community really appreciated her work and her approach. When you come in and right off the bat are condescending, haughty, and tone-deaf, as well as non-transparent, th…

> The community can be nasty but they do not treat every admin this way Who would have thought that the minds responsible for redpill, mensrights, and coontown might make a community less than enjoyable?

Thing is, before they started hellbanning all of those subreddits (TrayvonMartin, fatpeoplehate, etc.) I had no idea they even existed. For 8 years I've been blissfully unaware of all the garbage subreddits popping up.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by InclinedPlane »

blhack wrote: post #33

It's kindof astonishing what is happening over at reddit right now. "The internet" has it's own culture, and the people running reddit right now (one of the places where this culture is the strongest, imo), seem to have no idea how to interface with it. It honestly feels like it got taken over by silicon valley middle management marketing types or something, and now they just can't seem to figure out why the users ke…

I think it's a bit of a "google" mindset, which has become pervasive in the industry really. The idea of concentrating on managing a product, a platform, a system, etc. and giving short shrift to the community and interfacing with your user base. This is aggravated by the preponderance of free services, such as reddit, which make it all the easier to write off such interactions as non-productive. Instead there's an attempt to interact with the "community" and the "user base" as a conglomerate whole, but ultimately that's a weak method of interacting, at some point the rubber has to meet the road and that means person to person interactions and relationships. This is why sales people are so damned valuable, because that sort of interaction is hugely important.

P.S. To clear up any confusion, I support reddit's recent closure of hateful sub-reddits, there should be limits to the kind of behavior reddit tolerates. But that's an entirely different issue from their problem of engaging with mods of popular sub-reddits. It seems like there are a lot of people around who want to stir up ill will against reddit because they enjoyed playing in the cess-pool parts of it.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by Frozenlock »

forgottenpass wrote: post #56
blhack wrote: post #33

It's kindof astonishing what is happening over at reddit right now. "The internet" has it's own culture, and the people running reddit right now (one of the places where this culture is the strongest, imo), seem to have no idea how to interface with it. It honestly feels like it got taken over by silicon valley middle management marketing types or something, and now they just can't seem to figure out why the users ke…

It honestly feels like it got taken over by silicon valley middle management marketing types or something, and now they just can't seem to figure out why the users keep getting pissed off at them. I can't agree more, back in the jedberg/HueyPreist days the staff felt like reddit users, now you get the feeling the office just looks at the community as a magic box of unpaid labor. Anyone putting in real effort is bette…

>the handful of people who put in effort under reddit's brand are in an exploitative relationship.

In some ways, it feels like Twitch.tv.

I'm a little sad when I think of all these people making an 'exception' with twitch.tv by turning off their ad-blocks, by gladly giving $5 per month PER subscription (and some people subscribe multiple times on the same channel), by excusing a streaming website that still uses Flash and has a terrible, TERRIBLE user interface.

But it's all forgiven, because of the 'community'.

Well, that 'community' sold for a billion and you won't see a nickel for it.

Remember when Twitch was so much better than Youtube? Yeah... but the service is slowly changing to please corporate, and you won't have any say in it. New subscribe buttons no longer remove ads, they've added some music detection stuff that mutes videos, they no longer keep videos forever, they decide to ban 'cleavages', then games...

It's a one way relationship. The naive viewers are doing all these concessions for a company in which they have no equities.

Edit: Forgot to mention the new gamification of subscriptions "X suscribed for Y months in row!". That's pure genius. Evil, but still genius.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by Reedx »

keithy wrote: post #290
darkmighty wrote: post #268

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A terrible business that I think could be sold in a heartbeat for a few hundred million dollars to the big players, so is it really that bad?

The community would be in an uproar if such a sale happened. Reddit's only monetization schemes right now are 1) reddit gold 2) ads and 3) the gift shop. These are things that the community can completely boycott. Any sane person would know not to buy out something like reddit.

It depends... Reddit was sold once before, and it thrived post-sale.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by scrollaway »

vonklaus wrote: post #322
scrollaway wrote: post #242

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So what you're saying is "Caring about any single little/domain-specific problem is bad because there's war, cancer and starvation"? Fallacy of relative privation, much?

> begging the question but seriously, it was my snarky way of saying that: 1)Creating a system level heuristic to deal with types of problems is a more transparent, consistent and efficient way forward than simply tackling problems as they come up arbitrarily. 2)I am sick of this boys vs. girls/pc/whatever tropic bullshit, and the failure to enact a codified set of principals within reddit has allowed for groups with…

Hey I think GG is pathetic, for a lot of reasons. But my previous job was at a games media company (and I'm still involved with them), and the stuff that goes on in games media is horribly incestuous.

I mean yeah, bigger fish to fry and all that, but it's still a problem for a lot of people - other problems existing doesn't change that. I'm sure "we" could fix the bigger issue at large but who's "we"? Who's working on that, and why does it invalidate incestuous and unpublished conflicts of interest?

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by Houshalter »

alayne wrote: post #211
kefka wrote: post #193

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Reddit has gone from someone who understood 'The Internet' : “We will not ban questionable subreddits,” Reddit’s CEO, Yishan Wong, wrote in the aftermath of that catastrophe. “You choose what to post. You choose what to read. You choose what kind of subreddit to create and what kind of rules you will enforce. We will try not to interfere — not because we don’t care, but because we care that you make your choices betw…

Numerous subreddits were closed on Yishan Wong's watch.

As far as I know it was just for stuff that broke the ToS. Not just because they didn't like them.

Re: Front Page Subreddits Go Private in Response to Firing of Reddit Admin

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Post by _delirium »

thisisdallas wrote: post #73
blhack wrote: post #33

It's kindof astonishing what is happening over at reddit right now. "The internet" has it's own culture, and the people running reddit right now (one of the places where this culture is the strongest, imo), seem to have no idea how to interface with it. It honestly feels like it got taken over by silicon valley middle management marketing types or something, and now they just can't seem to figure out why the users ke…

>The internet" has it's own culture, and the people running reddit right now (one of the places where this culture is the strongest, imo), seem to have no idea how to interface with it. The first rule of the internet is you don't censor the internet.

Eh, I have trouble extending the concept of "censorship" of the internet to private websites deciding what can go on their own sites. HN flags and kills threads too. That's not censorship, because HN is Y Combinator's website, so they can pick and choose what kind of content they do and don't want discussed on their site. I could imagine saying, "[HN | Reddit | Slashdot | whatever] is running their site in a way I disagree with", but it's hard for me to imagine complaining that they are censoring me, and getting on some kind of high horse about "free speech", as a bunch of people on this subject seem to be doing.

If something really becomes a central medium of communication such that it's hard to avoid it, like the telephone system, internet infrastructure (backbones, DNS, etc.), and so on, then it starts to be a different issue imo. Then regulation as some kind of content-neutral common carrier might be in order. But does Reddit really play such a role? Twitter or Facebook seem closer to filling such a role, if we were going to pick one of those platforms.

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