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Re: MacOS is the new Windows

#21
your post really does not want me to ever upgrade my MacBook Pro from 2012. What I really love about this machine is that a) you almost never need to reboot it (I do it out of habit once per week) b) it has never slowed down All the folks that work with me and use Windows have to re-boot at least daily and using a windows machine from 2012 is outright impossible. If what you say is not a fluke, meaning you got unlucky and got handed a bad machine, then I will keep my 2012 until it falls apart :). Some of the comments fortunately hint to the fact that you just got unlucky.. which sucks obviously..

Re: MacOS is the new Windows

#22
I have a Macbook Air running Linux Mint. It runs pretty much perfectly on the machine with rEFInd[1] and lets you dual boot to OS X when you want to. Maybe give that a try; I didn't like OS X either but the hardware is fine!

1. http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/getting.html - Note that this project is unfortunately still hosted on SourceForge, so be very careful not to accidentally download a virus with it.

Re: MacOS is the new Windows

#23
post #20

> an early 2015 13 inch MacBook Pro. In 5 days I'm using it the machine restarted two (or three?) times "because of problems" Also using early 2015 13" MacBook Pro (16 GB RAM). 3 months old, rock solid so far. Bluetooth is a bit weird, though. Can't always connect to headphones or mice, but a reboot fixes that. Wifi works a lot better than 2012 model I have experience with.

Using the same. Rock solid for me, too.

Re: MacOS is the new Windows

#24
Apple's OS is nowhere near as robust as Windows though or as widely used...

The problem with Apple's UX (which has rarely ever been "a hassle-free unified experience") is that it does not include a lot of features. The reason nobody in corporate/IT care about Macs is that OS X simply doesn't do what they want while Windows does.

Instead of giving you a laundry list of examples, here are a couple of examples which I think epitomize Apple's UX: They just gave OS X the ability to resize application windows by any edge or corner like 3 - 4 years ago. Seriously. That's how well Apple has taken care of their users over the years. In an earlier era, they stuck by that single button mouse for a decade.

Re: MacOS is the new Windows

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post #22

I have a Macbook Air running Linux Mint. It runs pretty much perfectly on the machine with rEFInd[1] and lets you dual boot to OS X when you want to. Maybe give that a try; I didn't like OS X either but the hardware is fine! 1. http://www.rodsbooks.com/refind/getting.html - Note that this project is unfortunately still hosted on SourceForge, so be very careful not to accidentally download a virus with it.

What about power consumption? I used to run Ubuntu on my MBP2010, but was forced to return to MacOSX, since power consumption was ridiculously high.

While completely idle (booted, logged in, no apps running), measured at wall socket (with a kill-a-watt): - Ubuntu fresh install: 25W; - Ubuntu with Nvidia disabled and all possible "powertop" tuning applied: 15W; - MacOSX: 8W.

Playing 1080p video (either youtube/html5 or from a local h264 mkv file) is also the same - MacOSX draws 1/3...1/2 of power that Ubuntu does.

EDIT: typos

Re: MacOS is the new Windows

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post #21

your post really does not want me to ever upgrade my MacBook Pro from 2012. What I really love about this machine is that a) you almost never need to reboot it (I do it out of habit once per week) b) it has never slowed down All the folks that work with me and use Windows have to re-boot at least daily and using a windows machine from 2012 is outright impossible. If what you say is not a fluke, meaning you got unluck…

I have a HP laptop that I bought in 2009. I upgraded it with SSD in 2011. Ever since, I have never had to restart the computer because of problems. My work desktop never gets restarted because of problems either. The only time I restart is when I get windows updates. Either I got lucky, or the people you know got unlucky with their computers.

Re: MacOS is the new Windows

#27

Apple's OS is nowhere near as robust as Windows though or as widely used... The problem with Apple's UX (which has rarely ever been "a hassle-free unified experience") is that it does not include a lot of features. The reason nobody in corporate/IT care about Macs is that OS X simply doesn't do what they want while Windows does. Instead of giving you a laundry list of examples, here are a couple of examples which I t…

Well, remember when they were advertising their right-clicking mouse; it was like they invented the wheel... circa 2000.

Re: MacOS is the new Windows

#28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

the only 'slow' moments are when visiting some Javascript-infested site which insists on doing senseless things to a perfectly functional browser. If you happen to be using Firefox, look into the Noscript extension.

Well, mostly Seamonkey actually but yes, NoScript is installed. However, since some sites just don't work at all without Javascript this is not a panacea. Sometimes I just need to access something which is only available on one of those sites, turning the browser into treacle.

Use cpulimit and limit the process to a 60% of CPU usage. It will crawl, but it wont hang your whole desktop.

Also, https://addons.mozilla.org/en-us/firefox/addon/suspend-tab/

Re: MacOS is the new Windows

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post #15

I still use Debian on eeepc 1000H, which is over six years old, I suppose. I love everything about it, except that it is too underpowered now to even watch youtube in 720p. It's mic and camera gave in, some buttons are missing, it can not handle much anymore. I thought about getting old 13" MBP and installing Debian, but systemd is too bothersome. I'm not sure about hard and soft anymore..

Watch 720p videos under smtube.

Re: MacOS is the new Windows

#30

We recently replaced all (~300) our 2012 MPBs with 2015 MBPs. We didn't have a single complaint so far. And we have a lot of power users. Maybe you just attract bad luck.

Maybe your support system to report complaints is so soul-sucking and fruitless that nobody bothers, anymore.
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