Craigslist, 3taps settle scraping/antitrust suits with $1M donation to EFF
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Re: Craigslist, 3taps settle scraping/antitrust suits with $1M donation to EFF
#2"Craigslist has pledged to donate $1 million of that to the Electronic Frontier Foundation over 10 years." is very different from what the title implies.
Re: Craigslist, 3taps settle scraping/antitrust suits with $1M donation to EFF
#3"In the settlement, 3taps, PadMapper and Lovely will collectively pay Craigslist $3.1 million — $1 million from 3taps; $2.1 million from Lovely and nothing from PadMapper. Craigslist has pledged to donate $1 million of that to the Electronic Frontier Foundation over 10 years."
They're not settling with $1M donation to EFF, they're still getting $2.1M from Lovely.
Re: Craigslist, 3taps settle scraping/antitrust suits with $1M donation to EFF
#4The EFF was actually supporting Craigslist's opponents in the lawsuit. I wonder how much the Craiglist cost the EFF.
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#5How does one go about upsetting this giant in the marketplace? Everyone wants a better craigslist, but it's useless if they don't have the content.
Re: Craigslist, 3taps settle scraping/antitrust suits with $1M donation to EFF
#6The biggest thing that pisses me off about CL regarding house/apt listings is that they don't require addresses! How is their mapping feature supposed to work well if 70% of the listings are all grouped together with just the city name? No wonder people are trying to fork their business.
Re: Craigslist, 3taps settle scraping/antitrust suits with $1M donation to EFF
#7How does one go about upsetting this giant in the marketplace? Everyone wants a better craigslist, but it's useless if they don't have the content.
Start super niche and expand in concentric circles, I guess.
It's tough because people don't exactly look for new houses every single day so coming up in their brain as the app/site of choice when they do need a new house/apt is difficult. I would hate to do a "better apartment finder" startup in this space (airbnb excluded).
I think craigslist grew pretty slowly over the course of a decade, right? Not sure there's a recipe for overtaking them quickly that doesn't involve using their data/userbase in one form or another.
Re: Craigslist, 3taps settle scraping/antitrust suits with $1M donation to EFF
#8Here's hoping Craigslist dies. The good news is: it is already dying(albeit slowly, one category at a time.)
Re: Craigslist, 3taps settle scraping/antitrust suits with $1M donation to EFF
#9How does one go about upsetting this giant in the marketplace? Everyone wants a better craigslist, but it's useless if they don't have the content.
Start super niche and expand in concentric circles, I guess. It's tough because people don't exactly look for new houses every single day so coming up in their brain as the app/site of choice when they do need a new house/apt is difficult. I would hate to do a "better apartment finder" startup in this space (airbnb excluded). I think craigslist grew pretty slowly over the course of a decade, right? Not sure there's a…
You might almost need to loss lead for years, paying people in some fashion to bring content. e.g., dress up listings similar to the way Airbnb sends out their photographer to shoot your place professionally, or Uber is subsidising drivers to establish a foothold.
If you did car sales (as a bad example), you could handle the entire process for customers - sending out a photographer, building the listing and researching an appropriate list price. Wear the costs until you have the brand established and can start to make money. That would probably be attractive to people who don't have time or aren't confident enough to do it all themselves.
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#10From a 2013 interview with Greg Kidd, http://thisweekinstartups.com/greg-kidd-of-3taps-twist-293/
"... this was decided by the supreme court definitively in unanimous decision regarding, for instance, phone numbers in the case Rural v. Feist (http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Feist_v._Rural) ... The facts are just facts. They are not creative expressions. They are descriptive information and as such are outside of the bounds of what copyright law was intended to cover.
... In other industries it is a long-standing practice of comparing prices, supply and demand. My background at the federal reserve tells me, that’s how markets work. The concept, that it is intellectual property, when it’s really just transparency of price, supply, and demand, and that’s how markets work, is a real stretch. It’s something that could, if it continues to go this way, it could, basically, break the Internet, where you have to have permission to compare prices, and compare supply and demand between different sources of goods and services.
.. We just think that the business of “on-boarding” the postings and charging for it is entirely different from the search and downstream interaction."