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Is It Time for Germany’s Doorless Elevators to Move On?

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Re: Is It Time for Germany’s Doorless Elevators to Move On?

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Urban traffic shouldn't be traveling faster then 30, maybe 35 mph on roads where traffic calming is used. If you can't control your road rage, hang up the keys and walk.

> Urban traffic shouldn't be traveling faster then 30, maybe 35 mph on roads where traffic calming is used. Why not?

Because traffic calming techniques are only used on roads with 25 to 30 mph speed limits.

Re: Is It Time for Germany’s Doorless Elevators to Move On?

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post #55

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You say "calm", but that isn't how the drivers feel. They get full-on road rage. BTW, you also get more pollution. Modern car gearing makes 60 MPH (100 KPH) pretty reasonable; cars from the previous century do better at about 2/3 that speed.

Urban traffic shouldn't be traveling faster then 30, maybe 35 mph on roads where traffic calming is used. If you can't control your road rage, hang up the keys and walk.

Heh, not happening.

People will drive. Generally they will take their rage with them to home or to work. Commute length is related to risk of heart attacks and divorce. Your ideas have a huge quality-of-life impact that extends far beyond the road. I could do without the medical problems and violence induced by road rage.

The ideal for quality-of-life is what you likely despise: lots of wide lanes with minimal need to stop or slow down. This puts drivers at peace. No, it isn't ideal for hipsters who have a thing for silly sidewalk cafes, but those aren't most people.

Re: Is It Time for Germany’s Doorless Elevators to Move On?

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And it utterly fails anyone in a wheelchair, pushing a pram, lugging a heavy suitcase etc.

Which is why these aren't built anymore, I guess. Especially the wheelchair example is a very good reason (I'd argue the other reasons can be largely considered irrelevant, depending on the building/use case). So, they're neat, interesting, but probably irrelevant. But removing them for safety? That's just stupid - just like the article.

> Especially the wheelchair example is a very good reason

Yet they still build stairs and escalators.

Re: Is It Time for Germany’s Doorless Elevators to Move On?

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They are quite rare actually. I have never seen one (living in Germany all my life). You'd have to actively seek one out to encounter them.

This is exactly my experience. I think the only existing ones are preserved for historic reasons. This being said, according to German Wikipedia in May 2015 there were still 240 paternosters in operation. You can browse the list at: http://www.flemming-hamburg.de/patlist.htm

Thanks to your list I realized there is one in a building I walk by almost every week. Guess I'll be riding a Paternoster soon :-)

Re: Is It Time for Germany’s Doorless Elevators to Move On?

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I remember using something similar in US paper mills during the mid-late '80s. We called it a manlift. It was basically a vertical rubber conveyor belt with a small platform and a handhold located every 10' or so. It ran through holes in the floor. You just approached it, stepped onto the platform, and grabbed the handhold. There was a limit switch to stop the belt if you didn't get off at the highest floor, because…

They have those in Star Trek:TNG Engineering!

Re: Is It Time for Germany’s Doorless Elevators to Move On?

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post #9

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Yes, and they produce other models of cars besides the beetle.

They haven't made the Beetle in 12 years, and they haven’t made it outside Brazil and Mexico since 1979, 37 years ago.

What do they call the car they do make then? Its on the Golf frame, has the curved top and looks like the Beetle on steroids.

Re: Is It Time for Germany’s Doorless Elevators to Move On?

#68
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There is something oddly satisfying about this design. Other concerns aside, it just operates so smoothly. Seems to take all the friction of an elevator ride away.

It works for 5 floors or so. After that the delay becomes noticeable? Elevators can and do accelerate drastically when moving long distances.

Re: Is It Time for Germany’s Doorless Elevators to Move On?

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post #54

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They haven't made the Beetle in 12 years, and they haven’t made it outside Brazil and Mexico since 1979, 37 years ago.

What do they call the car they do make then? Its on the Golf frame, has the curved top and looks like the Beetle on steroids.

The New Beetle.

Re: Is It Time for Germany’s Doorless Elevators to Move On?

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post #54

Earlier quoted context omitted.

They haven't made the Beetle in 12 years, and they haven’t made it outside Brazil and Mexico since 1979, 37 years ago.

What do they call the car they do make then? Its on the Golf frame, has the curved top and looks like the Beetle on steroids.

The New Beetle.
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