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The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and unnoticed

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Re: The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and unnoticed

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Post by Johnythree »

tsotha wrote: post #85
Johnythree wrote: post #83

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> the environment exists for people. Otherwise it has no use at all. There's some disgusting and ignorant comments on this page, but this one takes the prize.

"Disgusting and ignorant"? Because I don't share your religion? That's pretty narrow minded.

What???

Your religion claims that the universe is here just for mankind's benefit? You really believe that?

This planet was here for millions of years before mankind came along, and hopefully will be here for millions afterwards.

Re: The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and unnoticed

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Post by anovikov »

It doesn't seem to have much to do with the eldery age, or even (physical) sickness. None of the people described have been at very old age, or terminally sick. This is just an illustration of how limited is society based on collectivism, obedience and hard work. It helped them out a great lot in the industrial age, and even then made many of them mentally broken, or outright sick, and completely stopped working in the post-industrial era.

Re: The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and unnoticed

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Post by dnc »

acveilleux wrote: post #37
ekianjo wrote: post #32

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> Dying alone is more frightening than death itself. Maybe, but most people mentioned in the article apparently die from heart attacks, and you don't know when it's going to happen - so it's not like you "know" and expect death to come around the corner. It could have literally happened when that person was shopping out, too.

It seems like the deceased in the article had nothing left to do but to wait for that death. Actually sounds worse then the death itself to me.

That is also what I find the worst. Everything else, that can be seen in the disturbing pictures of the place seems to me as merely surface and materialization of the inner despair and suffering that one has to go through in a such situation.

Re: The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and unnoticed

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Post by yeahdude »

Johnythree wrote: post #101
tsotha wrote: post #85

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"Disgusting and ignorant"? Because I don't share your religion? That's pretty narrow minded.

What??? Your religion claims that the universe is here just for mankind's benefit? You really believe that? This planet was here for millions of years before mankind came along, and hopefully will be here for millions afterwards.

Arguments usually reinforce delusion.

Re: The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and unnoticed

#105

Post by keithpeter »

teek wrote: post #21
civilian wrote: post #9

> His epiphany came when his current partner told him how she had lost her grandmother. Unlike Koremura’s loss, her grandmother had died alone—a kodokushi. It was seeing the deep regret in her, and accepting his own ennui, that made Koremura finally take action. He left his job as a stockbroker and set up his own removal company dedicated to the cleanup of kodokushi victims. He wanted to give something back to the ge…

Japan is incredibly stubborn and ignorant when it comes to addressing core social and psychological problems in their society. It isn't even recognized by most of the population so when people begin to complain of their own social issues or depression, people around them will slowly distance themselves from that person. As a result, most people will choose to hide their issues until it is unbearable. At the point the…

"Japan is incredibly stubborn and ignorant when it comes to addressing core social and psychological problems in their society."

Not just Japan

http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-33...

Politicians in the UK talk about community this and community that but in practice we are losing the ties between neighbours/families.

Re: The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and unnoticed

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Post by keithpeter »

SixSigma wrote: post #69
smil wrote: post #65

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How has your country (you must be American) distinguished itself by doing these same core social and psychological issues? Or are Americans stubborn and ignorant?

Britains of a certain age are stoic and stubborn. I was in hospital with my gran (born in 1922) in ICU (a pulse of 33bpm - and turns out she had kidney failure too), when alone with me she was gripping my hand and saying "this is the worst I have ever felt", when a few minutes later the doctor arrive d and asked "how are you feeling?" she replied "I'm fine thank you". I think the current crop of younger people will b…

My mum (b 1933) did that as well. Either my sister or I had to be there when the doctors came round. Nurses were observant as well and kept records.

Re: The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and unnoticed

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Post by Sharlin »

keithpeter wrote: post #105
teek wrote: post #21

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Japan is incredibly stubborn and ignorant when it comes to addressing core social and psychological problems in their society. It isn't even recognized by most of the population so when people begin to complain of their own social issues or depression, people around them will slowly distance themselves from that person. As a result, most people will choose to hide their issues until it is unbearable. At the point the…

"Japan is incredibly stubborn and ignorant when it comes to addressing core social and psychological problems in their society." Not just Japan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-33... Politicians in the UK talk about community this and community that but in practice we are losing the ties between neighbours/families.

Often "the community" is just a buzzword used by the political right when trying to weasel out of responsibilities belonging to the state.

Re: The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and unnoticed

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Post by blfr »

DanBC wrote: post #93
codesushi42 wrote: post #78

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Getting married is easy. And plenty of people don't want it. :) You'd be hard pressed to find a person who doesn't want to be a billionaire. Try online dating, or go to a bar to meet a girl. It's a lot easier than you think, especially when you're gainfully employed.

This is a little bit like telling someone with a phobia of spiders to just stop being scared of spiders.

If you have a phobia that impedes your life, you probably should overcome it. It's also easier to get over spiders, or get married than become a billionaire.

Re: The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and unnoticed

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Post by adwf »

Sharlin wrote: post #107
keithpeter wrote: post #105

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"Japan is incredibly stubborn and ignorant when it comes to addressing core social and psychological problems in their society." Not just Japan http://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-scotland-edinburgh-east-fife-33... Politicians in the UK talk about community this and community that but in practice we are losing the ties between neighbours/families.

Often "the community" is just a buzzword used by the political right when trying to weasel out of responsibilities belonging to the state.

Yeah, a lot of the local government stuff in the UK is the equivalent of the US saying: "Oh, we believe this is a states rights issue, therefore we're not gonna do anything about it."

It's another way of saying, fix it yourself. Oddly enough though, when we actually have the government step in, then all sorts of people start complaining about the nanny state.

Politics - Damned if you do, damned if you don't!

Re: The Lonely End: in aging Japan, thousands die alone and unnoticed

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Post by DanBC »

blfr wrote: post #108
DanBC wrote: post #93

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This is a little bit like telling someone with a phobia of spiders to just stop being scared of spiders.

If you have a phobia that impedes your life, you probably should overcome it. It's also easier to get over spiders, or get married than become a billionaire.

Yes, if you have a phobia you should overcome it. We know that telling people to just get over it doesn't work. That's why we provide short courses of carefully planned therapy.

Similarly telling a lonely person to just get over it does nothing to help that person. It might even make things worse - increasing feelings of failure and hopelessness.

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