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Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Post by macspoofing »

enlightenedfool wrote: post #79
plg wrote: post #45

Can we finally stop calling it "gay marriage" and "traditional marriage" and just call it "marriage" now? good job USA I'm glad you are finally catching up to the rest of the developed world.

Yeah, you should start leading again by cross-species marriage too. It may sound bizarre now but that's how same sex marriage was a 100 years back. Marrying your pets should be legal too.

>Yeah, you should start leading again by cross-species marriage too.

They keyword is consent. Animals can't consent. Children can't consent. Having said that, in a few years (decades?), I could see poly-marriages also getting equal standing under the law.

Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Post by sseveran »

talmand wrote: post #34
slayed0 wrote: post #16

Great news. Glad this won't be an issue going into the next presidential election. There's been so much time wasted on this issue when, at the end of the day, any 2 consenting adults should have all of the same rights as any other 2 consenting adults (barring felony conviction, poor mental health eval, etc).

I agree, I'm tired of hearing about this topic and the time wasted on it. Although, I'm waiting for the 3 consenting adults lawsuit, that will be interesting. EDIT: since the world is full of reactionaries that love to take things out of context; my public disclaimer on this is that I have no issue with this ruling.

This will start shortly if it hasn't already.

Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Post by Retric »

jmilloy wrote: post #47
Lawtonfogle wrote: post #8

Is there a general summary of the arguments made by the dissenting 4?

I think they summarise their arguments themselves. For example "Although the policy arguments for extending marriage to same-sex couples may be compelling, the legal arguments for requiring such an extension are not. The fundamental right to marry does not include a right to make a State change its definition of marriage. And a State’s decision to maintain the meaning of marriage that has persisted in every culture t…

Considering there are plenty of examples of "gay" marriage from thousands of years ago, calling strait marriage traditional seems factually incorrect.

Edit: http://www.catholicworldreport.com/Item/1367/gay_marriagenot...

Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Post by jgroszko »

pavanky wrote: post #50

As a non american, does the US Government have an official definition of marriage that is going to change today? I understand the social consequences. But what legal rights have been granted now that did not exist previously ?

The big ones are hospital visitation rights, being able to file joint federal taxes, and estate planning and inheritance benefits.

Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Post by charlesray »

plg wrote: post #45

Can we finally stop calling it "gay marriage" and "traditional marriage" and just call it "marriage" now? good job USA I'm glad you are finally catching up to the rest of the developed world.

>I'm glad you are finally catching up to the rest of the developed world.

We are the 18th country to entirely legalize gay marriage.

Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Post by andor436 »

pavanky wrote: post #50

As a non american, does the US Government have an official definition of marriage that is going to change today? I understand the social consequences. But what legal rights have been granted now that did not exist previously ?

Social security, tax benefits, death benefits (including child custody), health insurance coverage, legal (marital communications privilege) There are probably thousands of these baked into our state and federal laws.

Check out https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Rights_and_responsibilities_of...

and http://www.nolo.com/legal-encyclopedia/marriage-rights-benef...

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Post by taki1 »

jessaustin wrote: post #76
taki1 wrote: post #25

Earlier quoted context omitted.

not to mention how hard it is for gays to land a job in early years education. So backwards! The worst are these mothers. Once they see a male working in a Child Care Center there is going to be lawsuit, that's for sure. Gay male employee at Child Care Center? I hope there will be some progress too!

OK downvoters [EDIT: previously parent post had been grayed-out, now it appears this one is?], do you really not know that this is a thing? Lots of mommies and daddies don't want little Jenny and Billy looked after by a dude. I don't know what being gay has to do with it, except perhaps 'taki1 is telling us that gay dudes are more likely to want to work in child care than straight dudes are. Maybe that's true?

no, no, no. I'm all about individual rights!

Each person, whatever their sex is, should have the right to work at a place if they are as qualified as other candidates.

If there's a lady who wants to land a job at Child Care Center, and - let's say a Black transgender gay communist - they should have exactly the same chances. But these horrible sexist mothers will allow only other women, preferable white, to take care of their kids! Males stand almost no chances, not to mention race minorities, not to mention sex minorities.

This is a true middle-ages dramatic situation of these gays. And again - I'm talking on the individual level. Even if only one gay out of the population of 20% gay in the US currently wants to have a job at a Child Care Center he should have exactly same chances as a single white straigt woman.

Wouldn't you agree? I hope you are not a xenophobic racist homophob because that what you are if you give preference to some white woman working at a Child Care to Black Transgender Gay (fe)male.

Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Post by enlightenedfool »

enlightenedfool wrote: post #79
plg wrote: post #45

Can we finally stop calling it "gay marriage" and "traditional marriage" and just call it "marriage" now? good job USA I'm glad you are finally catching up to the rest of the developed world.

Yeah, you should start leading again by cross-species marriage too. It may sound bizarre now but that's how same sex marriage was a 100 years back. Marrying your pets should be legal too.

EDIT: Don't downvote just because you can't wrap your head around it. Their expression of love is a consent and marriage rules and interpretation can change like now. Also, legalize polygamy right now.

Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Post by peteretep »

plg wrote: post #45

Can we finally stop calling it "gay marriage" and "traditional marriage" and just call it "marriage" now? good job USA I'm glad you are finally catching up to the rest of the developed world.

    > I'm glad you are finally catching up to the rest of the
    > developed world.
As pleased as I am with the ruling, and as backwards as I think Americans are in many areas, I am not convinced this statement is true.

Re: Same-Sex Marriage Is a Right, Supreme Court Rules

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Post by noobermin »

plg wrote: post #45

Can we finally stop calling it "gay marriage" and "traditional marriage" and just call it "marriage" now? good job USA I'm glad you are finally catching up to the rest of the developed world.

Not to detract from your sentiment, but not all of the developed world has same-sex marriage as legal:

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Same-sex_marriage#/media/File:...

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