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What happens when you stop relying on resumes

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Re: What happens when you stop relying on resumes

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I don't even go that far, I usually just add a field hidden with CSS that rejects the form if there's anything in it. Works perfectly.

My password manager loves to fill those in, for some reason.

That happens if they're named "username", "password", "address" or something similar.

Re: What happens when you stop relying on resumes

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All these discussion of how hiring is broken. Doesn't this imply an enormous market opportunity for the recruiting agencies or companies that can properly capitalize on either undervalued candidates or better knowledge?

Recruiting companies aren't in the business of finding good candidates, they are in the business of finding candidates their clients like.

Companies have the same problem the military does. They hire a certain stereotype because they've always hired a certain stereotype and the people in charge match that stereotype.

If there's any opportunity for disruption, it would be at tiny companies where there are people that 1) just need talent and 2) know that they process that made them successful is broken.

Re: What happens when you stop relying on resumes

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It sounds like you're saying "resumes are fine, as long as you ignore most of the stuff that is considered important in contemporary resume culture." It's broken at a conceptual level, even if there are functional workarounds. The experiment from the article basically does what you describe, cuts out the stuff to ignore and goes straight to the project history. It would be beneficial for this to spread even if some p…

I'm happy with it staying status quo. Less competition makes it easier to hire the good ones. : )

Aha, I was going to add a note about competitive advantage, but we're trying to improve the industry as a whole! Cooperation not competition! :)

Re: What happens when you stop relying on resumes

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All these discussion of how hiring is broken. Doesn't this imply an enormous market opportunity for the recruiting agencies or companies that can properly capitalize on either undervalued candidates or better knowledge?

Alternatively, it implies that there is no solution. You can obviously not make stupid mistakes like taking two months to call a candidate back, but beyond the basic competence there may be an irreducible element of rolling dice. It may be the case that evaluating humans is fundamentally difficult.

I'm not advocating for that. I could argue either side of it without any cognitive dissonance. Just pointing out the additional possibility.

Re: What happens when you stop relying on resumes

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First of all, I definitely agree that resumes are woefully overused and overrated. They have structural problems and incentivize people to use "negative selection" criteria where people are eliminated based on not having a specific feature rather than selected for excelling on something¹. This article neatly demonstrates that resumes are not necessary and that not using them can unlock new sorts of candidates. Howeve…

However, I don't think there's a conclusion to be made about the actual method used here. I suspect that it worked because it was different, not because it carried a fundamentally strong signal. If everyone did this, project descriptions would be gamed even more than resumes—it would select for people who prepared for the selection process² more than anything else. I find myself almost irresistably drawn towards the…

The process being broken isn't a deal-breaker for companies, which can still hire from the 90% that can deal with the broken system. It's a deal-breaker for the 10% that are bad at playing the game / jumping hoops / resume writing / interviews, because they can't get a job.

Re: What happens when you stop relying on resumes

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* 20+ years of development experience 15 of those professionally * published author of various books * worked in systems that most startups would shit their pants with the requirements * some of the big name companies have tried to poach me based on the products I've worked * used professionally: C, C++, F#, C#, Ruby(Rails), Swift, Obj-C, Kotlin, Haskell, Scala I would never be called based on that criteria as I have…

So you're saying that the people who spend their free time developing projects that you most probably use in some form or another are doing “stupid shit”. I wouldn't hire you either.

No, I mean stupid shit for people that think looking at a GitHub page is all they need to know about a developer. I'm happy folks work on Open Source software and Github has helped a lot of these projects with visibility and infrastructure, but as the gp basically stated: "you either have a web presence or we don't interview you", then yeah, I don't care about that and having been on the interviewing side a lot, 95% of the github links in resumes (and yes, I check them) are crap and I can honestly said, done so they would have something to show and not because it had any real value (sorta like the 4043th JS framework, you do it because it brings you a bit of status, not because you are actually solving a problem or improving on a solution)

Re: What happens when you stop relying on resumes

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What kind of "difficult-to-work-with" questions do you ask? I'd like to filter out these people but I'm not sure what sorts of questions to ask to suss that out.

Basically I goad them into complaining about past bad work experiences and then pay close attention for subtle clues that may indicate that they are systemically disrespectful or unwilling to compromise on things that don't seem worth fighting for. Were they bothered by people, situations or outcomes? Tell me about the most frustrating time when you needed a thing, or consensus on a thing, and you had to go through w…

> unwilling to compromise on things that don't seem worth fighting for

It's quite possible the interviewee thinks the item is worth fighting, but you don't because of different principles/axioms. Are you looking for a justification in this case?

Re: What happens when you stop relying on resumes

#109

I screened and interviewed a lot of developers in my last position and it stood out to me that résumé quality seemed to be inversely correlated with the candidate's actual ability. I distinctly remember the absolute best developers that I hired also had the most atrociously bad résumés. The candidates with résumés that literally almost knocked me off my chair failed miserably at the most basic programming task.

Frankly I cannot see an expert in anything other than marketing sitting down and crafting their resume. "Appearance starts where performance ends."

Let me illustrate:

Growth Engineer One line Resume: "I was employee 7 at Snapchat when we had 6 engineers and 400,000 users. During my tenure as the only growth engineer, our userbase grew to 10 million users over the next 6 months."

SEO resume: "I joined XYZ when it was ranking at page 10 for major industry keywords. 9 months later. Google the following keyword BDHDUYD, which accounts for 40% of your market. If you find the company in the top 3 results, we should schedule an interview."

Software engineer: I do not know, but I am sure you can insert a short paragraph here.

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