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Are techies really 57% more likely to apply for a job if they know the salary?

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Re: Are techies really 57% more likely to apply for a job if they know the salary?

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Post by TheLoneWolfling »

itschaffey wrote: post #13
ramon wrote: post #7

Showing sallaries saves everyone's time and money, some people want higher wages, others are willing to go for the same, just want to change.. Really depends.

Showing salaries would seem to be a way of offering transparency. One worry might be people going for a higher paying role with just that intent. Why do you think companies might not show salaries?

So that they get to screw over people who don't know what they are actually worth.

Sorry about the relatively-crude language, but I don't know of a better way to put it that's still succinct.

Re: Are techies really 57% more likely to apply for a job if they know the salary?

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Post by MichaelCrawford »

itschaffey wrote: post #28
MichaelCrawford wrote: post #27

Earlier quoted context omitted.

he ran the company into the ground but we all had a great time while he did so. that was the best place i ever worked. the problem was that dave really didnt want to be in the software industry anymore. nowadays, jimmy carter reads his political blog.

Enjoying it at the end of the day is the key thing, on a personal level and as a team. Shame it ended, but seems an understandable reason. Now, having an ex-POTUS reading their is one helluva bragging right for him!

Im hoping to meet jimmy someday but hes pissed at me bcause i made an offcolor joke at the expense of his exgirlfriend.

Re: Are techies really 57% more likely to apply for a job if they know the salary?

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Post by greenyoda »

itschaffey wrote: post #18
allwein wrote: post #16

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Likewise, especially since "competitive" is such a huge range. As an example, if I'm currently making $100k, I might entertain a position at a slightly interesting company that's offering a "competitive" salary of $95k. However, I don't think there's anything that would make me go through the hassle of interviewing for a job paying a "competitive" $60k. Basically, posting the salary range gives me a quick and easy wa…

So a displayed salary range (perhaps $5-15k in swing?) in any case offers something more tangible/clear than 'competitive'? I could certainly agree with that. It doesn't confine a company to a certain $x, but isn't as opaque as the bog standard 'competitive.'

A range would at least give me a good idea of whether the salary is more or less than what I'm currently getting paid. If the high end of the range is well below my current salary, I know I shouldn't waste my time. "Competitive" can mean just about anything, so it gives me absolutely no information.

Re: Are techies really 57% more likely to apply for a job if they know the salary?

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Post by anonyfox »

itschaffey wrote: post #8
anonyfox wrote: post #5

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The tech stack used. When they're still doing LAMP in 2015, never. Or PHP in general. But that's just me I'd say

Ouch. We're still using PHP but appreciate what you're saying. What tech stack are you using at the moment?

(Elixir/Phoenix || Node.js/Meteor || Ruby/Rails) && (Angular.js, React, Homegrown JS frontend stuff), as well as desktop stuff with JS (my "lib": https://github.com/Anonyfox/node-webkit-hipster-seed ) from time to time. Actually I'm fluent in many languages so the concrete choice doesn't matter really as long as it is suitable for the given problem. But today there is no question where the answer would be PHP. Especially when the future is "soft" realtime, distributed and high performant or for tiny devices, problems you can't throw more hardware/caches at.

Re: Are techies really 57% more likely to apply for a job if they know the salary?

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Post by itschaffey »

dman wrote: post #39
itschaffey wrote: post #35

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Job titles have definitely become weirder/amgbiguous/watered down over time. Instead of salary range, what would interest you? (firm, tech stack, vision?)

Email addresses of two or three peers on the team that is advertising the position.

To get in touch/an understanding of the company/team?

Re: Are techies really 57% more likely to apply for a job if they know the salary?

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Post by itschaffey »

greenyoda wrote: post #43
itschaffey wrote: post #18

Earlier quoted context omitted.

So a displayed salary range (perhaps $5-15k in swing?) in any case offers something more tangible/clear than 'competitive'? I could certainly agree with that. It doesn't confine a company to a certain $x, but isn't as opaque as the bog standard 'competitive.'

A range would at least give me a good idea of whether the salary is more or less than what I'm currently getting paid. If the high end of the range is well below my current salary, I know I shouldn't waste my time. "Competitive" can mean just about anything, so it gives me absolutely no information.

That's fair logic - what if other forms of compensation were included in the listed range? (e.g. top end of band + equity)

Re: Are techies really 57% more likely to apply for a job if they know the salary?

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Post by itschaffey »

MichaelCrawford wrote: post #42
itschaffey wrote: post #28

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Enjoying it at the end of the day is the key thing, on a personal level and as a team. Shame it ended, but seems an understandable reason. Now, having an ex-POTUS reading their is one helluva bragging right for him!

Im hoping to meet jimmy someday but hes pissed at me bcause i made an offcolor joke at the expense of his exgirlfriend.

Ah, oh dear haha.

Re: Are techies really 57% more likely to apply for a job if they know the salary?

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Post by itschaffey »

TheLoneWolfling wrote: post #41
itschaffey wrote: post #13

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Showing salaries would seem to be a way of offering transparency. One worry might be people going for a higher paying role with just that intent. Why do you think companies might not show salaries?

So that they get to screw over people who don't know what they are actually worth. Sorry about the relatively-crude language, but I don't know of a better way to put it that's still succinct.

No need to apologise - it's a perfectly justified way of putting it. Could be considered a cynical view, but justified still.

Re: Are techies really 57% more likely to apply for a job if they know the salary?

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Post by itschaffey »

chrisbennet wrote: post #38
itschaffey wrote: post #25

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a-d are all valid points, and (c) is certainly one crux when it comes to listing a higher-paying jobs - is listing 'competitive' the only way of combatting this (what about the application process finding the most compatible skill-wise, person-firm fit-wise, etc)?

It's very easy for me to be critical when I haven't faced the very real problems that hiring companies face but I think there is some justification for being skeptical of an employers true motivations. Just thinking out loud; what does it really mean when a company doesn't want to attract someone who wants to get paid a lot? Does it mean that they are afraid of getting "spammed" with applicants that they have to weed…

I think both followup questions are valid. As others have mentioned in addition to yourself, there is wariness of companies' intentions, which ties into getting someone for less/value/than what they're worth.

On the flip side, case may be they genuinely can't afford to pay as much - but potential applicants may be swayed if they trust in them, and choose to forgo a higher salary or accept other compensation methods or benefits.

Re: Are techies really 57% more likely to apply for a job if they know the salary?

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Post by chrisbennet »

itschaffey wrote: post #49
chrisbennet wrote: post #38

Earlier quoted context omitted.

It's very easy for me to be critical when I haven't faced the very real problems that hiring companies face but I think there is some justification for being skeptical of an employers true motivations. Just thinking out loud; what does it really mean when a company doesn't want to attract someone who wants to get paid a lot? Does it mean that they are afraid of getting "spammed" with applicants that they have to weed…

I think both followup questions are valid. As others have mentioned in addition to yourself, there is wariness of companies' intentions, which ties into getting someone for less/value/than what they're worth. On the flip side, case may be they genuinely can't afford to pay as much - but potential applicants may be swayed if they trust in them, and choose to forgo a higher salary or accept other compensation methods o…

Ah, I think I see the problem now.

Company "A" pays less but actually offers a higher total happiness level, lets call it "quality".

Company "B" pays more but is has a lower "quality", all things considered.

Applicants are going to tend to apply to Company B because salary is a simple metric that doesn't have to be explained. Company "A" needs to educate their applicants/"consumers" in order for the applicant to see their value proposition - and that is something that is hard to do in a job ad.

This sort of thing is very common in the retail market. For example, (in the U.S.) if you are under 30 you probably have never even seen a quality shovel. Good luck finding a shovel today that you can use without wearing gloves.

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