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Griggi: A Wi-Fi sharing ecosystem for affordable Internet everywhere

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Re: Griggi: A Wi-Fi sharing ecosystem for affordable Internet everywhere

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Ya, you pay to buy Karma GB & use it at a Griggi WiFi. The idea is, if the concept becomes ubiquitous, people will be constantly looking for Griggi WiFi when they are close to residential/commercial establishments. You may have someone using your WiFi too :-). We are also going to put a feature which would let people manage their free WiFi hotspot with Griggi as well. The vision is to be the default WiFi sharing plat…

The thing is, the Karma system directly collides with your goal of becoming ubiquitous. I live in a small residential street where every neighbour who wants Internet has cable or fiber, so the chances of gaining significant Karma are very low. Let's also suppose I'm not a geek. So, why would I pay $20 (+shipping?) for a new router, ask a friend to come by my house to install it, pay the electricity costs, etc, when i…

You are mostly right. Everybody has an internet connection now a days. There is sizeable migratory population which could get benefitted from such a system as they dont need a new wifi connection every time they change place provided neighbours have Griggi. Its chicken & egg for sure.

What we are trying to do is similar to what Uber did to cars. Not everybody need to own a car. Similarly, not every household need a dedicated wifi connection when you can borrow some from neighbours.

Apart from city center, big apartments are another good case for Griggi. Big apartments in cities have a good number of migratory population.

Free WiFi hotspots that works is still a rarity in city centers of developing nations. Griggi is also an attempt to organize the unorganized free WiFi hotspots. A couple of guys are trying to solve this problem by building a mobile app that does the job of remembering username password of free wifi hotspots. Griggi is an attempt to solve the problem at the root. But I agree that it also makes things more challenging for us.

Re: Griggi: A Wi-Fi sharing ecosystem for affordable Internet everywhere

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post #27

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Like how you aren't allowed to rent your house like hotels (AirBnB) or to use your personal car as a cab (Uber)?

No, those are laws that you are subject to involuntarily. I am talking about a contract that you agree to when you purchase service.

Most rental contracts and HOA agreements (where present) ban subletting. Most car insurance bans working as a taxi unless specifically agreed.

Re: Griggi: A Wi-Fi sharing ecosystem for affordable Internet everywhere

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In most developed countries, this is against residential service TOS and could subject the operator to disconnection.

Like how you aren't allowed to rent your house like hotels (AirBnB) or to use your personal car as a cab (Uber)?

Philosophically a good point, but in reality, that is a bad analogy. Your local gas station won't cut you off if you drive for Uber. The guy who built your house won't tear it down if you rent it out. But your ISP can, and will, disconnect you.

There is a significant difference between freely using something you own. vs changing how you use a service that you do not own, and have signed contracts specifying terms of use.

Re: Griggi: A Wi-Fi sharing ecosystem for affordable Internet everywhere

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Earlier quoted context omitted.

Like how you aren't allowed to rent your house like hotels (AirBnB) or to use your personal car as a cab (Uber)?

Philosophically a good point, but in reality, that is a bad analogy. Your local gas station won't cut you off if you drive for Uber. The guy who built your house won't tear it down if you rent it out. But your ISP can, and will, disconnect you. There is a significant difference between freely using something you own. vs changing how you use a service that you do not own, and have signed contracts specifying terms of…

I guess that depends on "If your ISP disconnects you today, can you get internet from another ISP in a week?"

Re: Griggi: A Wi-Fi sharing ecosystem for affordable Internet everywhere

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post #19

As a Hindu, I always flinch a bit whenever the word Karma is used in all these different contexts :)

Ha, next you claim it is not an alternative currency you can buy to unlock more features.

You can't buy it, but as you amass karma you do get access to additional HN features.

Re: Griggi: A Wi-Fi sharing ecosystem for affordable Internet everywhere

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Philosophically a good point, but in reality, that is a bad analogy. Your local gas station won't cut you off if you drive for Uber. The guy who built your house won't tear it down if you rent it out. But your ISP can, and will, disconnect you. There is a significant difference between freely using something you own. vs changing how you use a service that you do not own, and have signed contracts specifying terms of…

I guess that depends on "If your ISP disconnects you today, can you get internet from another ISP in a week?"

Are you sure that your ISP can really figure that you are sharing internet with others at their end ?

Even if they do, legally speaking, will you sharing the internet connection on your name with your flatmate / family members would amount to breach of contract ? In all likelihood, your flatmate shares the cost of the internet with you. Isnt this case is exactly the same, somebody else using your internet & helping you offset some of your cost. Am I missing something here ?

Re: Griggi: A Wi-Fi sharing ecosystem for affordable Internet everywhere

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post #34

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Philosophically a good point, but in reality, that is a bad analogy. Your local gas station won't cut you off if you drive for Uber. The guy who built your house won't tear it down if you rent it out. But your ISP can, and will, disconnect you. There is a significant difference between freely using something you own. vs changing how you use a service that you do not own, and have signed contracts specifying terms of…

I guess that depends on "If your ISP disconnects you today, can you get internet from another ISP in a week?"

Only if more than 1 provider is available in your area. With my ISP, sharing with the public is not allowed. As such, any torrenting that happens I am responsible for. The only other provider we have is dial up, which I don't consider an alternative.

Re: Griggi: A Wi-Fi sharing ecosystem for affordable Internet everywhere

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None of these services seem to address my number one concern with sharing my WiFi - I don't want my IP address associated with guest activities. The last thing I need are frivolous IP threats or cops busting down my door because someone did something illegal through my WiFi point (even if I am ultimately cleared of the charges).

What I'd really like to see is a service like this that pipes guests through a VPN instead of just setting them loose on the internet directly from my connection.

Re: Griggi: A Wi-Fi sharing ecosystem for affordable Internet everywhere

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When will it be more than a landing page? I'd like to see the installation steps and try it, but instead it just asks for my email address to receive updates.

Side-note: If you're sharing a new product/service, only having a landing page is a big negative in my view. Show me something that works. You should not have a "Get Started" button if you won't actually let me start using it...

Re: Griggi: A Wi-Fi sharing ecosystem for affordable Internet everywhere

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When will it be more than a landing page? I'd like to see the installation steps and try it, but instead it just asks for my email address to receive updates. Side-note: If you're sharing a new product/service, only having a landing page is a big negative in my view. Show me something that works. You should not have a "Get Started" button if you won't actually let me start using it...

To be fair, Griggi didn't post there link here* - someone else did.

* probably.

EDIT: welp, saw OP saying 'we'. Nevermind.

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