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Re: Apple Removes American Civil War Games from the App Store

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Post by sneak »

cwyers wrote: post #83
sneak wrote: post #48

Earlier quoted context omitted.

As long as Apple prevents me from using someone else's store on my phone, they are not within their rights to censor any apps based on content.

They are. If you don't like this, buy someone else's phone.

That's not how competition works.

Choice is good for consumers. I'm an AAPL shareholder too but that doesn't mean you should be an apologist.

Someone else's phone won't access the huge amounts of data I have in iCloud. Or are you actually advocating for vendor lock-in as a force for good? I don't understand.

Re: Apple Removes American Civil War Games from the App Store

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Post by __z »

yequalsx wrote: post #76

Here is part of Mississippi's Declaration of Secession: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the…

There's much more here: http://www.theatlantic.com/politics/archive/2015/06/what-thi...

Re: Apple Removes American Civil War Games from the App Store

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Post by nsxwolf »

k-mcgrady wrote: post #60
noarchy wrote: post #52

Earlier quoted context omitted.

>free speech isn't always the solution >I'm not from the states There's a cultural difference that rears its head here. Free speech in the US seems to be nearly-absolute when compared to even its northern neighbour (Canada), which has some provisions for "hate speech". Europe, from what I can see, is even more interventionist. I'm not using this post to argue for or against either perspective, but only to show that p…

Very true. I don't like the idea of being so rigid though. It seems like Americans stick to the idea of things like free speech or right to bear arms (basically constitutional ideas) without considering the fact they may not be right or times have changed. It's almost a religious zealotry as evidenced by the quick down voting of my post. NB (to everyone not noarchy): Down down vote things you disagree with - down vot…

You're cutting your own throat when you dismiss freedom of speech.

Re: Apple Removes American Civil War Games from the App Store

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Post by Lawtonfogle »

yequalsx wrote: post #76

Here is part of Mississippi's Declaration of Secession: "Our position is thoroughly identified with the institution of slavery - the greatest material interest of the world. Its labor supplies the product, which constitutes by far the largest and most important portions of commerce of the earth. These products are peculiar to the climate verging on the tropical regions, and by an imperious law of nature, none but the…

>The Confederate flag represents and evil institution

The US flag represents slavery as well. We changed it to something more socially acceptable, but we moved it to the prisons, stocked it with racist laws, and to this day continue to profit off of forced labor. To say nothing of the slavery American countries profit off of by outsourcing.

Of course, prison slavery isn't as bad. Instead of being born a slave if your parents are, you just have a much higher chance of ending up in prison. Instead of being for life, it is for only a portion of your life with strong incentives to bring you back once you are out. But it is still quite horrible.

Re: Apple Removes American Civil War Games from the App Store

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Post by onewaystreet »

mladenkovacevic wrote: post #78

The scariest thing is how fast sweeping and unanimous these acts of compliance are. It's like these companies just woke up suddenly, had a conference call and without a hint of discussion, analysis or feedback started enforcing moral revisionism. It reeks of dishonest, cheap PR. What's next on the agenda? The saddest part is that this has totally taken over the discussion of shootings in North Carolina. US is unique…

Because gun control is pretty much dead in the US. If 20 children being killed in the Sandy Hook Elementary School shooting wasn't enough to pass new legislation, 9 adults certainly wouldn't be. The flag has become an issue so politicians can be seen "doing something."

Re: Apple Removes American Civil War Games from the App Store

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Post by paulhauggis »

pdabbadabba wrote: post #57
paulhauggis wrote: post #41

Political correctness has gone way too far in this country. When the Boston Bomber was on trial, there was a point made that his actions, because it was in the name of Islam, in no way reflects the actions of the entire religion or culture. Yet in South Carolina, the actions of one crazy person somehow now reflects on the entire culture and we need to remove the confederate flag. I don't see Amazon and Ebay removing…

I think the comparison is fairly specious, frankly. There is a good argument to be made that the raison d'etre of the Confederacy was the subjugation of African Americans. Whether today's Confederacy enthusiasts agree or not, the Confederate flag surely sends that message to many of those who see it being flown -- particularly, of course, African Americans. Islam, on the other hand, while associated to some degree wi…

"whether today's Confederacy enthusiasts agree or not, the Confederate flag surely sends that message to many of those who see it being flows -- particularly, of course, African Americans."

If today's confederacy enthusiasts disagree, then it means the culture doesn't represent slavery. Many in the south had relatives that fought and died for the confederacy. It means something to them, but this doesn't seem to matter to anyone.

"surely does not exist for the express purpose of cultivating terrorism"

The confederate flag doesn't exist for the sole purpose of slavery. Just like Islam representing terrorism, it's just one of the many facets. I would also like to point out that Islam does represent the subjugation of women (even if the the people part of the religion don't see it this way). Any woman involved in the religion has to keep their head covered (some, their entire body) and in pretty much all Islamic countries, the laws are heavily biased toward men. Homosexuality is also illegal and can mean jail time.

"And, more to the point, the public reaction simply reflects, I think, widespread agreement that this is the case."

A small, vocal, minority of people agree (like in most things). We have had the confederate flag around for many, many years. I don't ever remember even hearing a peep about people even giving a shit that it was for sale or flown. Not one person in government trying to get it removed or one article online (before this incident) wanting it removed.

If it was really a huge issue, why the outcry now? And why are we blaming an entire culture for the actions of one person?

Re: Apple Removes American Civil War Games from the App Store

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Post by eric_h »

kirkbackus wrote: post #18

It's quite ironic that Apple is setting a precedent for the intolerance of any symbol of slavery while they are knowingly supporting manufacturing which utilizes child labor, which is often forced labor. The epitome of hypocrisy which hopefully leads Apple to change.

You seriously need to cite some sources if you're going to make a claim like that.

Re: Apple Removes American Civil War Games from the App Store

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Post by hackuser »

RyanZAG wrote: post #69
jameskilton wrote: post #15

Earlier quoted context omitted.

Please don't hyperbolize. Removing the Confederate flags from public places like government buildings and refusing to sell merchandise with the flag is not erasing history. And I'd call the regular terrorizing and murder of black people under this flag far more than "someone felt bad". Apple simply took a way-to-heavy-handed approach here.

It's the flag that is terrorizing people, or people doing it? Will the terrorizing be better if it happens under a different flag? I have a hard time believing the flag is at fault and not the people, or that removing a flag will stop people from doing the same acts.

The flag, flying on a statehouse, sends a message that racial hatred is acceptable to society. It doesn't make someone kill (and there are many more problems with racism than murders or that one incident), but it creates an environment where hate appears to be acceptable.

Re: Apple Removes American Civil War Games from the App Store

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Post by mc32 »

JohnGB wrote: post #9

So what about all WWII games that have a swastika, or any number of historical flags that are simply referencing history rather than supporting an ideal? This is plain ridiculous.

They might as well ban the Turkish flag too as that is a symbol of the genocide against Armenians --or the Soviet flag as it symbolizes the oppression of many nations and peoples by the soviet regime.

And apple would cede, if the people affected made enough of a fuss, so this whole thing is more about perception and PR more than actual beliefs in justice, etc.

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