Video: http://sdruby.org/video/075_rails3.m4v (366 MB)
The sound quality on that is.. unbearable.
Rails 3 : Vaporware To Awesome
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Re: Rails 3 : Vaporware To Awesome
#22Looks really cool. It's definitely not cool though that Yehuda's keeps saying things like "Sinatra has failed because...", and "because Prototype sucks..." and so on. I'm only half way through the video, but it really bothers me when smart software developers disparage other open source projects that came before the latest shiny framework or tool. Especially when it's to brag about whatever project it is that they're…
> It's definitely not cool though that Yehuda's keeps saying things like "Sinatra has failed because..." Agreed. That's apples and oranges! Rails and Sinatra are different tools for different problems, IMO.
> That's apples and oranges! Rails and Sinatra are different tools for different problems, IMO.
Actually no. With rails3, rails will just be a meta gem. If you install rails-core you'll get something like Rack plus not much more which is basically what sinatra is.
Re: Rails 3 : Vaporware To Awesome
#23Looks like an awesome web framework. Rails blew my mind when I first learned it, but over the course of the last two years the various warts and inconsistencies have become apparent. I look forward to learning this new web framework that is also called ruby on rails ;-)
That's how I've felt about it too. Back when it came out, Rails was very easy to fit into your brain in the course of a day or two of absorption, but now it's a very large collection of ideas, DSLs and overall lingo. It's probably more than a little bit overwhelming to newcomers, and even some of those of us who come back to it every year and scratch our heads in awe at just how big the Rails universe has become. I a…
The thing I like about Rails is, unlike some technology stacks I could name (why hello there Enterprise Java), you don't have to know it all on day one. The first version of my site was an awful lot like Baby's First Bookstore, Rails 2007 Edition. It has gradually accumulated more features and sophistication as I've grown as a web programmer.
A lot of the complexity in Rails is hidden until you need it. If you don't understand Rails caching yet, that's no problem, you don't have to understand it until you actually have to use it. Ditto the more advanced ActiveRecord tricks like named_scope, or the deep rabbit holes in the general vicinity of templating engines.
Re: Rails 3 : Vaporware To Awesome
#24Rails 3 is waayy faster and better then. Rails in general is great. Its really got the abstraction thing and taking into consideration crazy things like developments in software engineering practices and programming languages. Having said that, I don't really know much about Rails. This comment is not about Rails. I just have to tell people because I keep thinking about something and almost no one seems to get it and…
at first it appears to be a reply by an autistic person. but if you finish reading it, actually makes some sense. Cocoa/Interface Builder could be a good example...
Re: Rails 3 : Vaporware To Awesome
#25Looks really cool. It's definitely not cool though that Yehuda's keeps saying things like "Sinatra has failed because...", and "because Prototype sucks..." and so on. I'm only half way through the video, but it really bothers me when smart software developers disparage other open source projects that came before the latest shiny framework or tool. Especially when it's to brag about whatever project it is that they're…
Yehuda didn't simply say that Sinatra failed. What he said was that Sinatra (and other similar projects) failed to achieve a critical mass of support. The reason for this failure was because these projects were trying to do fundamentally different things than what most people were actually doing with Rails at the time, and as a result, they didn't catch on.
This statement was made in comparison to merb, which succeeded in getting more mindshare than the other 'Rails competitors.' This was largely because merb attempted to do much the same things that Rails was trying to do, but to do them in a much better way.
He was indirectly positive about Sinatra throughout his talk, and when covering router changes, kept describing how you could mount Sinatra applications inside of your Rails3 app.
The "prototype sucks comment" was made along with a very tongue-in-cheek "everyone will move to jquery" comment. He was laughing when he said it, and I got the impression that he was simply making a joke as the author of jquery.
He never once said anyone was stupid. Actually, that's not entirely true, he was pretty critical about some of the code found in Rails 2.x. He backed his criticism up by showing the code, and I certainly didn't think he was out of line.
Re: Rails 3 : Vaporware To Awesome
#26I have always liked how Merb was structured. With Rails 3 is there any reason to use Merb for new projects?
Re: Rails 3 : Vaporware To Awesome
#27Rails 3 is waayy faster and better then. Rails in general is great. Its really got the abstraction thing and taking into consideration crazy things like developments in software engineering practices and programming languages. Having said that, I don't really know much about Rails. This comment is not about Rails. I just have to tell people because I keep thinking about something and almost no one seems to get it and…
There is probably a lively discussion or possibly a flamewar to be had on your topic. Unfortunately, it is totally unrelated to the topic of this thread. If you want to talk about this other thing, why not post it on a blog and submit to HN?
Re: Rails 3 : Vaporware To Awesome
#28Video: http://sdruby.org/video/075_rails3.m4v (366 MB)
The sound quality on that is.. unbearable.
I second this! I also looked at the other video's SDRuby has up, and all of them I have tested are also horrible. If someone from SDRuby is here, FIX YOUR AUDIO!! It sounds like my dad's AM talk radio going through a tunnel!
Re: Rails 3 : Vaporware To Awesome
#29When is Rails 3 going to be released and where do I download the current (unstable?) Rails 3 version?
The latest Rails is at GitHub: http://github.com/rails/rails/ As for the release date: "[T]he Rails 3 release date will likely be in the first quarter of 2010, or even before Christmas 09 if things go really well." ( http://railsnotes.com/745-rails-3-release-date-news/ )
Alpha release maybe. I'd estimate at least 6 months between the first alpha release and the final. Yehuda's been pretty clear that he wants all the plugins to be updated and working with the new public api before they go final on 3.0
Re: Rails 3 : Vaporware To Awesome
#30Rails 3 is waayy faster and better then. Rails in general is great. Its really got the abstraction thing and taking into consideration crazy things like developments in software engineering practices and programming languages. Having said that, I don't really know much about Rails. This comment is not about Rails. I just have to tell people because I keep thinking about something and almost no one seems to get it and…
at first it appears to be a reply by an autistic person. but if you finish reading it, actually makes some sense. Cocoa/Interface Builder could be a good example...
thanks. at first, I thought you might be autistic too.